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Whole Foods employees striking over requirements to work Thanksgiving

Are you going to make it illegal to work on Christmas too?

The only alternatives to the invisible hand are pure anarchy or the iron fist of socialism.

Seriously? You only see the two extremes as the options available?
 
Some people have it ****ty by choice, we should all have it equally ****ty?

Private employers offer jobs, but that does not make those employees "partners" in making their business decisions. ;)
 
Private employers offer jobs, but that does not make those employees "partners" in making their business decisions. ;)

Then say goodbye to holidays. If employers think they can make money Christmas Day, they are going to require their hires to work Christmas Day. If you accept that retail is the fastest growing employer in the American job market, and already the largest sector currently, then you must logically accept an "end of an era" in terms of the old standard. A lowering of the quality of life, no more stories of mom and dad sitting together at thanksgiving, enjoying an uninterrupted day with whole family.
 
am i going to have to explain this to every libertarian on the site individually? ok. this is it.

Thanksgiving and Christmas, as you know, are cultural family holidays. as i've said five hundred and forty two thousand times already in this ****ing thread, if somebody wants to spend the damned ****ing day with his or her family, they should be able to. others who want to work should be able to do that.

treating workers like **** leads to unions. corporatists hate unions like ten year olds hate brussel sprouts. want to prevent unions? treat your workers like human ****ing beings. it really doesn't take that much.

ok, i feel better now.

An employeer cannot depend on if an employee wants to work.

What if an employee says they wat to work one week before Thanksgiving but they change their mind after being scheduled to work that day. Shoudl that employee be let off that day even if it creates a problema for the business?
 
Are you going to make it illegal to work on Christmas too?

The only alternatives to the invisible hand are pure anarchy or the iron fist of socialism.

If that were to happen I would never be able to buy batteries for the battery operated ítems I forgot to buy batteries for.

It happens every year.
 
Are you going to make it illegal to work on Christmas too?

The only alternatives to the invisible hand are pure anarchy or the iron fist of socialism.

Well when everybody has to work on Christmas, cons will just come on here and scream about how libs "took the Christ out" of it and waged a "War on Christmas." By then of course, we'll all have forgotten how they were here saying they have to work Thanksgving.
 
, if somebody wants to spend the damned ****ing day with his or her family, they should be able to. others who want to work should be able to do that.

Even tho I agree personally I dont believe in govt interference or corporate coercion to enforce such. Why 'should they be able to?' Who says, besides you? There arent always 'other people that want to.'

I didnt mind working some holidays as a park ranger...however I got pressured alot to work all of them because I was single and there were alot of parents...and single parents...that wanted to be with their kids. Took some seniority a yr or so in to get what I wanted but it also wasnt an entrenched profit-based environment.
 
I don't agree that it's strikeworthy, but they shouldn't be forced to work Thanksgiving.

They agreed to work for a company that is open on that holiday and pays them to them work.
 
Do retail workers get sub sized housing and higher edu like certain government employees? Pensions? Mandatory vaca?


Again, one could simply not work in retail, right? But retail is all that's hiring. 1/3 of the workers in this country work retail or food service (just another kind of retail), and climbing.

Wanna prevent the scourge of unionization? Don't treat workers like pee ons.

Some Employers are better then others. Welcome to the work force.
 
Some Employers are better then others. Welcome to the work force.

More and more, the larger employers are all the same. And with our countries direction currently, there only gonna be larger employers in the coming decades.
 
Overpopulation is disempowering organized labor.

When there are legions of young people so desperate for any job, let alone one as cool as bagging organic groceries in a store that smells like the Garden of Eden, Whole Foods workers protesting having to work during a holiday is basically screaming "replace me!" Their wish will be granted.

Disclaimer: I love Whole Foods.
 
That is a false point. Whole Foods never opened on Thanksgiving before so these people did not agree defacto to work this holiday.
The restaurant I worked at during college didn't open on Mondays, then they started to open on Lundi Gras(Mardi Gras eve) a holiday in my state, and guess what, we went in or worked out deals to take off, that's life. Things change, such as opening schedules and terms of work, either one can suck it up and cash the paycheck which the employer always funds and honors or they can quit.
 
Know what your rights are? Your right is to ask for the day off. And your right is to quit. Just quit. "You can't open your store!!! I'm going to block your entrance to make you!!" That's NOT a right.

Just quit, damn it.
At that point they are risking legal charges, the store owner will probably be nice and ask them to leave first but that isn't required. It's illegal to remain after forbidden(that's a criminal misdemeanor) and it's also illegal to prohibit a legal business owner from conducting legal commerce so that's two charges right off the bat, and if the officer feels like being a jerk because he is not happy about working on his holiday, he may just issue a third charge of public disturbance. That's a lot of fines and jail time to pick up for the newly and rightfully terminated employee.
 
Only if there is an imbalance of power in that company. If those people had a contract which stated that, it wouldn't be an issue.
Two things;
1) The balance of power in a company is the person who signs the paycheck has the power.
2) I've never seen "guaranteed hours of operation" on a contract. In fact, hours are always subject to change based upon business needs.
 
An at will employer can fire anyone for anything outside of protected classes, like sex, sexual orientation, or race, so long as the reason given wasn't present at the time of hire. In other words, you can fire an employee for getting their eye brow pierced, but not if they had one when you hired them.
Unless, there is a stated dress code change which is legal, in writing.
 
am i going to have to explain this to every libertarian on the site individually? ok. this is it.

Thanksgiving and Christmas, as you know, are cultural family holidays. as i've said five hundred and forty two thousand times already in this ****ing thread, if somebody wants to spend the damned ****ing day with his or her family, they should be able to. others who want to work should be able to do that.

treating workers like **** leads to unions. corporatists hate unions like ten year olds hate brussel sprouts. want to prevent unions? treat your workers like human ****ing beings. it really doesn't take that much.

ok, i feel better now.
I'll just put it this way. I'm thinking of getting back into business, putting one of my ideas to work, should an employee tell me "how things are going to be" they will be fired. If my employees threaten or entertain unionization they will be fired. I will entertain opinions and suggestions, but the final decision is mine alone in that instance because I sign the checks.
 
They have the right to a federally mandated minimum wage, to work in safe conditions, and other things as described by OSHA, FMLA, FLSA.

They don't have a right to protest without repercussion.

"Since the 1930s, under the federal National Labor Relations Act (NLRA), whenever two or more employees complain or protest or demand from their employer changes in the terms of their job and/or the conditions of their employment, their employer cannot retaliate against them for that." Do workers have rights? - Baltimore Sun
 
"Since the 1930s, under the federal National Labor Relations Act (NLRA), whenever two or more employees complain or protest or demand from their employer changes in the terms of their job and/or the conditions of their employment, their employer cannot retaliate against them for that." Do workers have rights? - Baltimore Sun
There are ways around that, an employee is likely to **** up soon enough, and the scope of forgiveness for mistakes could shrink.
 
An employeer cannot depend on if an employee wants to work.

What if an employee says they wat to work one week before Thanksgiving but they change their mind after being scheduled to work that day. Shoudl that employee be let off that day even if it creates a problema for the business?

if someone wants to work on thanksgiving, cool. if someone doesn't want to work on thanksgiving, he or she should be able to stay home. in the past 517 pages of this ****ing thread, what have i posted that is even slightly unclear?
 
I'll just put it this way. I'm thinking of getting back into business, putting one of my ideas to work, should an employee tell me "how things are going to be" they will be fired. If my employees threaten or entertain unionization they will be fired. I will entertain opinions and suggestions, but the final decision is mine alone in that instance because I sign the checks.

well, good luck. i'm hoping to start a business, too, if i do stupid **** that causes my employees to unionize, i'll know that i ****ed up. honestly, on my deathbed, i doubt i'll mourn too much about it either way. hope that your business is successful.
 
Are you going to make it illegal to work on Christmas too?

The only alternatives to the invisible hand are pure anarchy or the iron fist of socialism.

The invisible hand is a fallacy. There is no self regulated behavior of our marketplace.
 
well, good luck. i'm hoping to start a business, too, if i do stupid **** that causes my employees to unionize, i'll know that i ****ed up. honestly, on my deathbed, i doubt i'll mourn too much about it either way. hope that your business is successful.
Thanks man. I've got to be an employee for seed money right now, but we all gotta do what we gotta do. :peace
 
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