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    Re: Whole Foods employees striking over requirements to work Thanksgiving

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    I cannot understand why government would make life difficult for people who provide jobs for others. The more people working, the more tax money flows to DC to spend as foolishly as they wish. Doesn't make sense today... At one time, it might have, but laws have been written since to curb abuses by employers, but now it just seems like plain old dislike of business. Small wonder that many flee to states that are more business friendly, or even go overseas. That doesn't help people who just want a job to support their famiiies. Everyone can't be on welfare...who's going to provide the money to take care of them?
    though laws exist, it doesn't mean employers don't break them, some consistently and knowingly. That's why the DOL is important, to address those who would abuse employees. But to have defend yourself as though judged guilty first is expensive and time consuming.
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    Re: Whole Foods employees striking over requirements to work Thanksgiving

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    If you are having issues with this, it's your fault for not getting yourself a more iron clad orientation/employee contract. It's happened twice at BJs, an employee hurts their back, we review the camera to see how, see them lifting something heavy solo, (against company policy) and term them. Easy as pie. And now we have them sign away their right to litigation, opting instead for in company arbitration as a requirement of employment. BJs position is "Go ahead, call OSHA or the dept of labor. We'll just fire you."
    It's not a matter of iron clad, it's a matter of attempting to be fair to all parties, and the DOL is heavily biased to the employee.

    We don't threaten to fire, we ask if there is a compromise in procedure (that doesn't violate law) that will satisfy job requirements and the employees 'restriction' in activity. If necessary, the employees position is changed, which unfortunately May lead to less hours, less pay, and quite often employee quitting.

    It's when the employee refuses to discuss the issue that write ups happen, people get pissed and the DOL gets called.
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    Re: Whole Foods employees striking over requirements to work Thanksgiving

    Quote Originally Posted by lawboy View Post
    What do you think of that WARN law, should employers have to tell employees of the protected group they are closing shop down.
    I don't think that should have force of law, but I do feel that an ethical business should give some kind of notice due to the climate of job seeking. I took a look at the META act, was not impressed. For the most part I like states making their own laws, but while I read up on it I was thinking just how easy it would be to loophole that thing into ineffectiveness.
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    Re: Whole Foods employees striking over requirements to work Thanksgiving

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    Sorry. In the US, if an employee refuses to show up merely for one day, it does not count as quitting (esp. if a valid excuse is offered and documented) and to offer that as a reason for termination of employment to references will subject you to a lawsuit.
    Many states are "at will" employers, you can fire an employee for any reason or no reason at all and they can't sue you unless it's a demonstrated case of legal discrimination.
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    Re: Whole Foods employees striking over requirements to work Thanksgiving

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    That is a false point. Whole Foods never opened on Thanksgiving before so these people did not agree defacto to work this holiday.
    They agreed to work when they were scheduled. They were scheduled to work on Thanksgiving. Try again.
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    Re: Whole Foods employees striking over requirements to work Thanksgiving

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Firing employees without a real cause (legal, illegal, just, whatever) is very expensive for an employer. Actually, it's the hiring and retraining of the replacement that is costly. Employers of any size do not to it casually and rarely at a whim.
    Absolutely. I would not go on a firing spree on a whim, it would take something I considered to be gross insubordination to do something like that, and IMO trying to unionize the company I built fits the definition. Then again I haven't given my philosophy on employee treatment because there is always a fine line between what I want to do to retain quality employees and my available resources and market climate.

    As I am not currently in business for myself I don't have any numbers to share but I do have my general philosophy which is that I will go the distance for loyal employees and do anything possible to retain my full rights as a business owner towards bad ones.
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    Re: Whole Foods employees striking over requirements to work Thanksgiving

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    They'd rather watch other people work at the football game.
    Pay them what he NFL players get and they will be happy to work on holidays.

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    Re: Whole Foods employees striking over requirements to work Thanksgiving

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Pay them what he NFL players get and they will be happy to work on holidays.
    Yeah, 'coz the only people who have to work the game are players.
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    Re: Whole Foods employees striking over requirements to work Thanksgiving

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    well, good luck. i'm hoping to start a business, too, if i do stupid **** that causes my employees to unionize, i'll know that i ****ed up. honestly, on my deathbed, i doubt i'll mourn too much about it either way. hope that your business is successful.
    How can you hope to open a business when you have the employee mentality?

    You will fail 100% for sure if you let your employees tell you how to run your business, which you have posted 517 times in this thread that that is what you think is right.

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    Re: Whole Foods employees striking over requirements to work Thanksgiving

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Exactly right. My offense to labor trying to call the shots is that they have nothing but their labor to offer, I'm taking the risk, I've got the collateral up, I'm paying the checks, and only my ass is on the line. I shut down they look for work or draw unemployment while I could lose property, credit, and even credibility and reputation as a businessman. I took all the risk and expenditures, I signed the contracts, but they want and equal say? Bull****.
    How can I like this 5 times?

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