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    Re: Whole Foods employees striking over requirements to work Thanksgiving

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    Not really. They would get fired for not complying with company policy. You see, on one hand, a company has you sign and date documents stating you know and understand OSHA standards and what have you...and then, on the other hand, they cut payrolls and increase work loads which all but force you to cut corners in order to succeed. It's cut those corners, take those risks, or get less done. One of those two the employer is willing to "not see". The other...not so much. Care to venture a guess which is which? And then, should call OSHA or whoever and complain, we pull up our signed and dated documents, and ask who told them to cut corners. And then term them. I've seen it happen a couple of times now, at more than one job.
    speaking from the employers side, the employee has the protections of the law, sometimes moreso then the employer.
    Documentation of changes in work procedures, times and dates, possible witnesses. Have even had false but persuasive documentation used against us. We proved out, but the time and expense of proving ourselves innocent was excessive.
    Also, one well phrased phone call to the DoL fed or state and the company has to prove itself innocent of all sorts of things based on the whim of a pissed off employee.
    Dont try and say employees have no rights....
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    Re: Whole Foods employees striking over requirements to work Thanksgiving

    Quote Originally Posted by GottaGo View Post
    speaking from the employers side, the employee has the protections of the law, sometimes moreso then the employer.
    Documentation of changes in work procedures, times and dates, possible witnesses. Have even had false but persuasive documentation used against us. We proved out, but the time and expense of proving ourselves innocent was excessive.
    Also, one well phrased phone call to the DoL fed or state and the company has to prove itself innocent of all sorts of things based on the whim of a pissed off employee.
    Dont try and say employees have no rights....
    I cannot understand why government would make life difficult for people who provide jobs for others. The more people working, the more tax money flows to DC to spend as foolishly as they wish. Doesn't make sense today... At one time, it might have, but laws have been written since to curb abuses by employers, but now it just seems like plain old dislike of business. Small wonder that many flee to states that are more business friendly, or even go overseas. That doesn't help people who just want a job to support their famiiies. Everyone can't be on welfare...who's going to provide the money to take care of them?

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    Re: Whole Foods employees striking over requirements to work Thanksgiving

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Really? Please give some examples. And I dont necessarily mean the right to protest with out repercussions. (as you specified 'none.')
    At BJs, employees are supposedly not required to lift more than 30 pounds without. They set it at 30 because most people can fairly safely lift 29 pounds, and that is the OSHA standard...don't lift more than you can handle. Above 29 pounds is supposed to be a team lift item. Upon getting hired, you see a training vid of this, and many other OSHA standards. Then you sign a doc stating you understand these policies, and that failure to follow them will result in disciplinary action, up to termination. Then you start work. You are told what you need to do, and how much time you have to do it in. You walk into a room full of boxes, all weighting 40+ pounds, and are told to stack them just so. You ask about team lift. No payroll for another person. At this point, you have a choice...violate policy, which the company doesn't really care if you do, or don't get the job done on account of not having help. Which the company DOES care about. Truth is, just about every box in BJs weights 30 pounds or more. The 30 pound policy is to protect the company from injury suits, and nothing else.

    This happens millions of times per day, across the country, at thousands of retailers. If retailers followed every standard and practices they put in place inspired by OSHA and it's ilk to protect itself, they would all literally have to double their payroll to get the job done. They don't want to do that, and frankly, YOU don't want them to either.
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Whole Foods employees striking over requirements to work Thanksgiving

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    Which doesn't change anything. Unless they have a contract stating that Whole Foods won't be open on Thanksgiving, then Whole Foods can be open that day and as an employer require Employees work that day.
    Incorrect. If holiday work, or anything considered "irregular" hours are required, they are required to be made known at the onset of employment.
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Whole Foods employees striking over requirements to work Thanksgiving

    Quote Originally Posted by GottaGo View Post
    speaking from the employers side, the employee has the protections of the law, sometimes moreso then the employer.
    Documentation of changes in work procedures, times and dates, possible witnesses. Have even had false but persuasive documentation used against us. We proved out, but the time and expense of proving ourselves innocent was excessive.
    Also, one well phrased phone call to the DoL fed or state and the company has to prove itself innocent of all sorts of things based on the whim of a pissed off employee.
    Dont try and say employees have no rights....
    If you are having issues with this, it's your fault for not getting yourself a more iron clad orientation/employee contract. It's happened twice at BJs, an employee hurts their back, we review the camera to see how, see them lifting something heavy solo, (against company policy) and term them. Easy as pie. And now we have them sign away their right to litigation, opting instead for in company arbitration as a requirement of employment. BJs position is "Go ahead, call OSHA or the dept of labor. We'll just fire you."


    What state you are in plays a heavy factor as well, though.
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Whole Foods employees striking over requirements to work Thanksgiving

    Perhaps there can be a mass "shopping at Whole Foods" to support them. At least some people might eat something healthy for a change.


    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    This issue has been plowed more times than Paris Hilton.
    Quote Originally Posted by Oborosen View Post
    Too bad we have to observe human rights.

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    Re: Whole Foods employees striking over requirements to work Thanksgiving

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    if someone wants to work on thanksgiving, cool. if someone doesn't want to work on thanksgiving, he or she should be able to stay home. in the past 517 pages of this ****ing thread, what have i posted that is even slightly unclear?
    They are able to stay home. Its a free country.

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Perhaps there can be a mass "shopping at Whole Foods" to support them. At least some people might eat something healthy for a change.
    nobody but rich people can afford that ****.

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    Re: Whole Foods employees striking over requirements to work Thanksgiving

    Quote Originally Posted by Phil_Osophy View Post


    nobody but rich people can afford that ****.
    Wait, I thought only Liberals shopped there, but none of them have jobs. I'm confused now.


    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    This issue has been plowed more times than Paris Hilton.
    Quote Originally Posted by Oborosen View Post
    Too bad we have to observe human rights.

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    Re: Whole Foods employees striking over requirements to work Thanksgiving

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    That is NOT a balance of power.
    Yes, it is. My house, my rules. Don't like the rules then work somewhere else and I will replace you with someone who accepts my conditions.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Whole Foods employees striking over requirements to work Thanksgiving

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Yes, it is. My house, my rules. Don't like the rules then work somewhere else and I will replace you with someone who accepts my conditions.
    It's clear you favor a dictatorship when it comes to power/control. Not really sure why you call yourself a Libertarian since they are mainly about personal liberty for all individuals or at least that is what they claim.

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