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Whole Foods employees striking over requirements to work Thanksgiving

The right not to work is a basic human natural right, which should not be infringed upon (in any manner) by employers or others of so-called authority. It's time we sit down for our rights. Power to the people!

He has the right not to work. It's called "quitting" or "getting fired".

He doesn't have the "right" to tell an employer when he feels like working. That's just comical stuff right there.
 
This victory for the Working Man pleases Me, so today I shall go to Whole Foods for some non GMO Duck breast and organic Peruvian potatos.
 
This victory for the Working Man pleases Me, so today I shall go to Whole Foods for some non GMO Duck breast and organic Peruvian potatos.

Sounds like you would've anyway.
 
The right not to work is a basic human natural right, which should not be infringed upon (in any manner) by employers or others of so-called authority. It's time we sit down for our rights. Power to the people!

Cool, don't work. Don't expect to eat though. The two go hand in hand.
 
Ah, you're only half right....I was in on everything for that business....and as I went thru college, had some decision-making capacity. Who do you think was paying the bills, handling the employee issues? I may not have had final word (altho my father was happy to encourage my participation) but I was at least privy to everything that went on.

You can choose to dismiss this experience, but that wouldnt be realistic.

If you didn't personally make the decisions, you didn't run the business. Sitting in the same room as other people making the decisions is not the same.
 
If you didn't personally make the decisions, you didn't run the business. Sitting in the same room as other people making the decisions is not the same.

Care to reiterate the point you were attempting to make when you asked if I had ever run a business?

C'mon...let's see just how far you'll go to make your point. And as I wrote...I *did* have a voice in some decisions.
 
Hey, I don't work nights, weekends or holidays and neither does my wife. Of course, we are both educated professionals who have put in our time working our way up, unlike these people who are bottom of the barrel. It can be done, it just takes work, not just a bunch of liberal whining about how unfair things are.

What is bottom of the barrel about working nights, weekends or holidays? :lol:
 
Oh, I see the "bottom of the barrel" argument. They don't deserve time with their family because they are bottom of the barrel. :roll:

I see your sarcasm. :)

Some people don't have family, don't want to see family or can make more money on holidays so they CHOOSE to work. Nothing bottom of the barrel about that. Besides, I loved working weekends and nights. Then when I went surfing or mountain biking or skiing during the weekdays it was almost empty and I had the run of whatever I was doing. Supermarkets and malls and theatres were people free. This was great. Why were they people free? Because most of the idiots chose to work weekdays! :lol:
 
I see your sarcasm. :)

Some people don't have family, don't want to see family or can make more money on holidays so they CHOOSE to work. Nothing bottom of the barrel about that. Besides, I loved working weekends and nights. Then when I went surfing or mountain biking or skiing during the weekdays it was almost empty and I had the run of whatever I was doing. Supermarkets and malls and theatres were people free. This was great. Why were they people free? Because most of the idiots chose to work weekdays! :lol:

But they know what's best for you, so you should listen!

The difference between a liberal and a conservative is who they think has their best interests in mind, and who can decide what they do best.

Frankly, I know what I like, can do, and can spend my money better than a bloated government can.
 
What is bottom of the barrel about working nights, weekends or holidays? :lol:

That is part and parcel with working retail. If you don't want to work those days, don't work retail. Get an education, get some work experience and work your way up into a position where those things are not part of the job description.

Or didn't you think of that?
 
That is part and parcel with working retail. If you don't want to work those days, don't work retail. Get an education, get some work experience and work your way up into a position where those things are not part of the job description.

Or didn't you think of that?

I had an education and a Masters degree when I worked in fine dining and as a bartender. What does working the weekends or holidays have to do with being "bottom of the barrel"??

I responded to another that I liked working weekends and nights since that left all those wonderful weekdays were all the morons worked free of people so I could surf, ski, mountain bike, go to movies or the supermarket in relative peace while all the weekday workers had crowded weekends to deal with. I guess that escaped your observation?
 
I had an education and a Masters degree when I worked in fine dining and as a bartender. What does working the weekends or holidays have to do with being "bottom of the barrel"??

I responded to another that I liked working weekends and nights since that left all those wonderful weekdays were all the morons worked free of people so I could surf, ski, mountain bike, go to movies or the supermarket in relative peace while all the weekday workers had crowded weekends to deal with. I guess that escaped your observation?

In case you didn't notice, this thread is about Whole Foods and not you.
 
In case you didn't notice, this thread is about Whole Foods and not you.

In case you forgot, you said that people that worked nights and weekends were, "bottom of the barrel". I challenged that with personal experience and reasoning and you have not been able to justify that comment of yours. There is nothing better about having a higher paying weekday job at all.
 
i was just explaining where i was coming from here. besides i am not the one who should be talking about the traumas dealt to whole-foods workers: i am 21 and about to start college, so yes i fit the monicker "hypocrite" because i have no expeirance of being employed. but if i ever get employed i will apply the same phillosophy i applied to my schoolwork, work hard and don't tick off the person controlling your grades.
You are already ahead of the game as compared to people griping about working a holiday. I've done my share of working holidays, as have many here and all around, it sucks, trust me, but working a holiday is much better than not working.
 
You are already ahead of the game as compared to people griping about working a holiday. I've done my share of working holidays, as have many here and all around, it sucks, trust me, but working a holiday is much better than not working.

There are 2 sides to everything. Back in the day, I was a park ranger and he was a zookeeper. Both of us frequently had to work holidays...just part of the job you know going in. At each place we had holiday celebrations and the zoo crowd had an all-day celebration at someone's home on Thanksgiving and Christmas, starting with an early breakfast, for everyone that couldnt get to be with family.

We had Tues and Weds off together and could spend all the time we wanted in the mountains and on the trails when no one else was out there, and run our errands when it was less crowded.

There are silver-linings...and more...to any work situation if you take advantage of them.
 
There are 2 sides to everything. Back in the day, I was a park ranger and he was a zookeeper. Both of us frequently had to work holidays...just part of the job you know going in. At each place we had holiday celebrations and the zoo crowd had an all-day celebration at someone's home on Thanksgiving and Christmas, starting with an early breakfast, for everyone that couldnt get to be with family.

We had Tues and Weds off together and could spend all the time we wanted in the mountains and on the trails when no one else was out there, and run our errands when it was less crowded.

There are silver-linings...and more...to any work situation if you take advantage of them.
Yep. I agree, it just makes sense to "pay dues" when you are an employee until something better comes around, be that a promotion to a portion of the company that gets off, experience for a better company, etc. and everything else can be figured out in the meantime.
 
Yep. I agree, it just makes sense to "pay dues" when you are an employee until something better comes around, be that a promotion to a portion of the company that gets off, experience for a better company, etc. and everything else can be figured out in the meantime.

For me, altho I loved that job, it eventually meant being stuck in an office doing budgets and schedules.

So...I worked 2 day jobs and went to night school and got another degree and another career. It goes faster than people realize.
 
This victory for the Working Man pleases Me, so today I shall go to Whole Foods for some non GMO Duck breast and organic Peruvian potatos.

And just trust that Peru isn't a pass through/repackage country for potatoes grown in Mexico or Vietnam and fertilized with the unthinkable.
 
In case you forgot, you said that people that worked nights and weekends were, "bottom of the barrel". I challenged that with personal experience and reasoning and you have not been able to justify that comment of yours. There is nothing better about having a higher paying weekday job at all.

I said that these people were bottom of the barrel, they work in an industry which requires nights, weekends and holidays and they act like they can demand not to work the hours that they agreed to work when they started working in that industry. Just because you chose to do that doesn't change their situation.
 
It's important for young people to have a proper work ethic for the modern world, and that is to focus only on their own well-being (and the well-being their family/friends) and to screw everyone else they don't care about (including their employer) for the sake of advancing their own well-being.

Such an attitude is considered healthy, as long as one plays the screwing game effectively to avoid consequences.

Employer loyalty, OTOH, is an outdated victimization mentality that's extremely dangerous and unhealthy. Young people should be taught from a young age never to work harder than they need to for someone who doesn't share their values/goals.
 
It's important for young people to have a proper work ethic for the modern world, and that is to focus only on their own well-being (and the well-being their family/friends) and to screw everyone else they don't care about (including their employer) for the sake of advancing their own well-being.

Such an attitude is considered healthy, as long as one plays the screwing game effectively to avoid consequences.

Employer loyalty, OTOH, is an outdated victimization mentality that's extremely dangerous and unhealthy. Young people should be taught from a young age never to work harder than they need to for someone who doesn't share their values/goals.

This struck a nerve because I was just sitting here thinking about my work ethic.

Whatever I do I make sure I am the best.

I opened a company one time and, without me knowing, I had one competitor. In 6 months he was out of business. I was supplying the customer service, and accurate work he couldn't or didn't want to, so I got all of his customers. I also had to redo a lot of his bad work for customers. I didn't set out to close his business, but my work ethic was much stronger than his was and I won out. If I made a mistake, I did whatever it took to fix it no matter the cost and I never charged the customer another dime. It was my mistake and I had to pay for it. I don't see that anymore from businesses or people.

I was also thinking of this thread last night when I was working on Sunday until 12 midnight to get done what I needed to get done for today. I was thinking about all the employees that were home asleep because at 5 they drop whatever it is they are doing and go home. A business owner doesn't have that luxury. Then I was thinking about those same employees wanting to call the shots in the business when I have to work until midnight and they are asleep. No way.
 
He has the right not to work. It's called "quitting" or "getting fired".

He doesn't have the "right" to tell an employer when he feels like working. That's just comical stuff right there.

He does. There is no legal prohibition on an employee telling an employer he/she doesn't feel like working.

Furthermore, at will arrangements do not require an employee to resign employment prior to or after deciding not to show up for work. Either he, or the employer may do so at either's discretion, at any time, with or without cause, but at no time, under US law, may an employer falsify employment records.
 
He does. There is no legal prohibition on an employee telling an employer he/she doesn't feel like working.

Furthermore, at will arrangements do not require an employee to resign employment prior to or after deciding not to show up for work. Either he, or the employer may do so at either's discretion, at any time, with or without cause, but at no time, under US law, may an employer falsify employment records.

Ok fine. If you want to play the colloquial game, he has a "right" to do everything I just said. The employer also has the right to can his lazy ass for doing it.

There.
 
I said that these people were bottom of the barrel, they work in an industry which requires nights, weekends and holidays and they act like they can demand not to work the hours that they agreed to work when they started working in that industry. Just because you chose to do that doesn't change their situation.

So your argument is that they chose to work those types of hours but are now complaining about it and trying to get out of those types of hours? If so... Well Hell, I agree with that. They should shut up about it and work.
 
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