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    Re: Whole Foods employees striking over requirements to work Thanksgiving

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    If an employer wants to fire an employee for not working on holidays, the government has no right to interfere. If the government steps in and forces that employer to keep paying their absentee employees, that is nothing less than unjustifiable coercion.
    oh, i wasn't talking about any government action. i was talking about a union forming and putting that **** to a stop. and boy, would it ever be deserved.

    easiest way in the world to stop your store from getting unionized? throw your ****ing employees a bone every now and again, like not forcing them to work on Thanksgiving if they don't want to.

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    Re: Whole Foods employees striking over requirements to work Thanksgiving

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    i worked retail in college. had to work some fourth of Julys, but not a Thanksgiving. i can see essential stuff being open, and maybe even grocery stores, though i'm not stoked about it. however, i just see no need whatsoever to start the black Friday madness on Thursday. i mean, come on. we can wait until six AM.
    I don't agree with them being open on a holiday either, but that's their right as a business.

    as for a say in corporate policy, i guess we disagree. i think the employee should have some stake in the company, and should have at least minimal control over his or her schedule. i'm not talking about fifteen bucks an hour minimum to run a register or a job bank. i'm just arguing for the ability to stay the **** home on Thanksgiving if you want to, and to maybe know what your schedule is going to be far enough in advance to have a life. face it, none of us on our deathbeds is going to say "golly gee, i wish i had worked that ****ty job more." i'm going to be thinking about the Thanksgivings i got to have with my folks while they were still healthy enough to swill turkey and wine with me while we talk about stuff. if some ****ty ass retail chain tried to steal that from me, i would consider egging the CEOs house.
    I just can't relate, I hated working holidays because I love my family and wanted more time with them, but I was essential and needed for said holiday. I have since left that position and haven't looked back, but I accepted that when I was needed I had to be there, no questions.
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    Re: Whole Foods employees striking over requirements to work Thanksgiving

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    oh, i wasn't talking about any government action. i was talking about a union forming and putting that **** to a stop. and boy, would it ever be deserved.

    easiest way in the world to stop your store from getting unionized? throw your ****ing employees a bone every now and again, like not forcing them to work on Thanksgiving if they don't want to.
    The easiest way to stop a store from unionizing is to fire any employee that unionizes. Unions aren't capable of much without unjust government coercion to back them up.

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    Re: Whole Foods employees striking over requirements to work Thanksgiving

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    If an employee does not show up when scheduled, he/she quit.
    Wrong. An employee must explicitly resign, or else it's not quitting.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    How many more jobs do you think are out there for these people
    Plenty of unskilled low-wage jobs available. However, employees that choose not to work on specific days should always provide an excuse for not showing up that wouldn't result in inhibiting future employment prospects. In other words, if an employee chooses not to work on Thanksgiving, he/she could just call in sick or claim that his/her baby sister is sick and needs to stay at home.

    That way, the employer could not legally fire the employee for that reason*, esp. if a valid doctor's excuse is provided (shouldn't be hard to get one on Thanksgiving, considering how many people have relatives who are doctors). Of course, the employer could still fire the employee for another reason, but still proper documentation is needed under current laws.**

    * ** - In a Libertarian society, there are no restrictions on when an employer can terminate an employee--this is what I would prefer. However, the US is not a Libertarian country.

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    Re: Whole Foods employees striking over requirements to work Thanksgiving

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    I don't agree with them being open on a holiday either, but that's their right as a business.

    I just can't relate, I hated working holidays because I love my family and wanted more time with them, but I was essential and needed for said holiday. I have since left that position and haven't looked back, but I accepted that when I was needed I had to be there, no questions.
    i did the same, but i also pissed and moaned about it. i was just a kid back then, though, and at least my rantings and ravings were funny. that's the most important part.

    these days, if my boss needed me to come in for a minute on Thanksgiving to split the cells, i wouldn't have a problem. i've only had to do that once in the past five years or so. as for missing dinner so some idiot can buy a TV that he could have bought tomorrow morning, no thanks. and why in the **** isn't he eating turkey like every other American? pick up the damned fork, and put down the TV, commie.

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    Re: Whole Foods employees striking over requirements to work Thanksgiving

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    The easiest way to stop a store from unionizing is to fire any employee that unionizes. Unions aren't capable of much without unjust government coercion to back them up.

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    Re: Whole Foods employees striking over requirements to work Thanksgiving

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    It is a federally recognized holiday.
    so? that does not give you the legal right to a day off. Celebrate Sunday. One can give thanks 7 days a week.

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    Re: Whole Foods employees striking over requirements to work Thanksgiving

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    Sentimental hogwash, indeed. You ought to listen to Mr. Potter.

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    Re: Whole Foods employees striking over requirements to work Thanksgiving

    My best friend's family celebrates holidays a week after they fall for the rest of us, including Christmas. They've always done this. Allows any one of them to bring in the holiday cash and they largely avoid all the stress and craziness of the holidays and yet they get to have all the good parts.

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    Re: Whole Foods employees striking over requirements to work Thanksgiving

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    i did the same, but i also pissed and moaned about it. i was just a kid back then, though, and at least my rantings and ravings were funny. that's the most important part.

    these days, if my boss needed me to come in for a minute on Thanksgiving to split the cells, i wouldn't have a problem. i've only had to do that once in the past five years or so. as for missing dinner so some idiot can buy a TV that he could have bought tomorrow morning, no thanks. and why in the **** isn't he eating turkey like every other American? pick up the damned fork, and put down the TV, commie.
    I think the present related stuff is absolute garbage, food retailers I think have an excuse.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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