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    Re: Whole Foods employees striking over requirements to work Thanksgiving

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    will the world grind to a halt if you have to wait until tomorrow to buy a TV?
    I'll go on record as saying it's absolutely ****ty that the stores are opening today for retailing. I can see grocery and food stores because people have supply emergencies and may be able to use that type of store, the TV can wait, and not just 'till Black Friday.

    Here is where I differ. When I was employed in places that needed me for holidays I hated it, but I did it because they were cutting my paychecks and they weren't bouncing, I did not think it was my place to tell the people who owned the business how it was going to run, it was their business.

    So, I think the stores are wrong for opening, but the employees more so for demanding what they aren't owed(a say in policy).
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    Re: Whole Foods employees striking over requirements to work Thanksgiving

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Talk to your state's labor board about that. Every state out West here requires so many holidays, and Thanksgiving is on all the lists and must be paid time and a half. What state?
    I live in NJ.

    EDIT: NJ doesn't require employers to pay time and a half on holidays. (http://www.ehow.com/info_7860415_new...time-half.html)

    "Q. Does my employer have to pay me overtime or double time for working on a holiday, Saturday or Sunday?

    A. No. Overtime must be paid at a rate of time and one-half times the employee's regular rate of pay for each hour actually worked in excess of 40 hours in the workweek." (http://lwd.dol.state.nj.us/labor/wag...e_faqs.html#q5)
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    Re: Whole Foods employees striking over requirements to work Thanksgiving

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    Nothing wrong with being poor. In fact, being poor is a much higher level, spiritually speaking, than being rich..
    So you have been both?

    The problem is government interference with the God-given rights of business owners to fire their employees for whatever reason they want
    Business owners were have "God-given rights" to "fire their employees for whatever reason they want"? Is that in the Bible somewhere?
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    Re: Whole Foods employees striking over requirements to work Thanksgiving

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Three points:

    1. In many retail businesses, the owner of the store also works on the holiday and is often part of the sales crew to cut down on overhead costs - so, in your example, the gander is working so all the little worker goslings must work too, if asked.

    2. When I was working, it was a pain sometimes to work on a Friday - those long weekends were great - according to you, I should just be able to book off every Friday to satisfy my needs, not the needs of my employer.

    3. Those businesses, government, etc. who give their employees the Friday off after Thanksgiving Day should be forced to haul their employees in and make them work because lots of other people work on that day - or do you consider the days after a holiday to be sacred, non-work allowed days?
    I loved working Black Fridays, I made money instead of blowing it in a store surrounded by people willing to knife each other for a 5$ off item.
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    Re: Whole Foods employees striking over requirements to work Thanksgiving

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Only an authoritarian bully would want to force an employer to pay an employee against their will.
    Do you have any concept of discrimination? And this coming from the guy that says that any form of immigration is racism? What a hypocritical double standard. Can't discriminate against those poor illegal aliens violating the law but those US citizens working at a job? **** those guys!
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    Re: Whole Foods employees striking over requirements to work Thanksgiving

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Only an authoritarian bully would want to force an employer to pay an employee against their will.
    who said anything about paying them? i just want them to be able to stay home with their families on two holidays a year if they want to. my need to buy a discount ****ing TV can wait twelve ****ing hours, and so can yours.

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    Re: Whole Foods employees striking over requirements to work Thanksgiving

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    who said anything about paying them? i just want them to be able to stay home with their families on two holidays a year if they want to. my need to buy a discount ****ing TV can wait twelve ****ing hours, and so can yours.
    If an employer wants to fire an employee for not working on holidays, the government has no right to interfere. If the government steps in and forces that employer to keep paying their absentee employees, that is nothing less than unjustifiable coercion.

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    Re: Whole Foods employees striking over requirements to work Thanksgiving

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    That's fine...for those that choose that. But many get no choice.

    I'm against stores being open on Thanksgiving and Christmas but that's just my personal belief. I dont feel the need to make laws about it but if enough people felt similarly, then they wouldnt shop on those days and it wouldnt be worth opening.

    I personally do not shop on Thanksgiving, Christmas, or Christmas Eve. And dammit! I'm out of coffee creamer!
    It's business, it only takes one competitor deciding to open on a holiday to force your hand. If there are so many customers in an area I have to fight to sell them my TV, so closing when my competitor opens cuts my slice of the buyers down. It sucks but that is business.
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    Re: Whole Foods employees striking over requirements to work Thanksgiving

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    I'll go on record as saying it's absolutely ****ty that the stores are opening today for retailing. I can see grocery and food stores because people have supply emergencies and may be able to use that type of store, the TV can wait, and not just 'till Black Friday.

    Here is where I differ. When I was employed in places that needed me for holidays I hated it, but I did it because they were cutting my paychecks and they weren't bouncing, I did not think it was my place to tell the people who owned the business how it was going to run, it was their business.

    So, I think the stores are wrong for opening, but the employees more so for demanding what they aren't owed(a say in policy).
    i worked retail in college. had to work some fourth of Julys, but not a Thanksgiving. i can see essential stuff being open, and maybe even grocery stores, though i'm not stoked about it. however, i just see no need whatsoever to start the black Friday madness on Thursday. i mean, come on. we can wait until six AM.

    as for a say in corporate policy, i guess we disagree. i think the employee should have some stake in the company, and should have at least minimal control over his or her schedule. i'm not talking about fifteen bucks an hour minimum to run a register or a job bank. i'm just arguing for the ability to stay the **** home on Thanksgiving if you want to, and to maybe know what your schedule is going to be far enough in advance to have a life. face it, none of us on our deathbeds is going to say "golly gee, i wish i had worked that ****ty job more." i'm going to be thinking about the Thanksgivings i got to have with my folks while they were still healthy enough to swill turkey and wine with me while we talk about stuff. if some ****ty ass retail chain tried to steal that from me, i would consider egging the CEOs house.

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    Re: Whole Foods employees striking over requirements to work Thanksgiving

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Thanksgiving is just another day of the year.
    It is a federally recognized holiday.
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    The economy will improve under this bill. If a few people die, it will be for the betterament of this country.

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