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    Corporations Aren't People

    I found this opinion piece by Harold Meyerson to be spot on concerning corporations being brought in to the world of personhood.

    Is it alright for corporations to speak for their employees on all matters as a collective? I don't think so.

    Also consider this: Where does this corporations-are-people business start and stop? Note the excerpt from Meyerson's piece:
    Under the law, corporations and humans have long had different standards of responsibility. If corporations are treated as people, so that they are free to spend money in election campaigns and to invoke their religious beliefs to deny a kind of health coverage to their workers, are they to be treated as people in other regards? Corporations are legal entities whose owners are not personally liable for the companyís debts, whereas actual people are liable for their own. Both people and corporations can discharge their debts through bankruptcy, but there are several kinds of bankruptcy, and the conditions placed on people are generally far more onerous than those placed on corporations. If corporations are people, why arenít they subject to the same bankruptcy laws that people are? Why arenít the owners liable for corporate debts as people are for their own?

    If corporations are going to be given the freedoms that people enjoy, they should be subjected to peopleís obligations and restrictions too. Iím not sure how many corporations would think thatís such a good deal.
    Harold Meyerson makes one think about personhood, don't you think? What about wars? People are drafted and go to wars, why not include corporations? Corporations get to itemize a lot of things on their taxes more than the average Joe or Jane. Why do they get to be a special person with extraordinary fiscal relationships with the state?

    Yes, I think Scalia is looking to see how he is going to open this can of worms -- real carefully.
    "The end of democracy and the defeat of the American Revolution will occur when government falls into the hands of lending institutions and moneyed incorporations." `Thomas Jefferson

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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Are the people that run the corporation people? Do they not have the right to use their property in the way they see fit, to associate with who they desire, and provide services in the way they see fit? Oh right, for some reason they are lesser beings. Funny how that works. I find liberals are entirely missing the point. In order to protect the rights of people businesses can not be the slaves of the population as a whole.

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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob N View Post
    I found this opinion piece by Harold Meyerson to be spot on concerning corporations being brought in to the world of personhood.

    Is it alright for corporations to speak for their employees on all matters as a collective? I don't think so.

    Also consider this: Where does this corporations-are-people business start and stop? Note the excerpt from Meyerson's piece:

    Harold Meyerson makes one think about personhood, don't you think? What about wars? People are drafted and go to wars, why not include corporations? Corporations get to itemize a lot of things on their taxes more than the average Joe or Jane. Why do they get to be a special person with extraordinary fiscal relationships with the state?

    Yes, I think Scalia is looking to see how he is going to open this can of worms -- real carefully.
    Which "obligations and restrictions" are corporations not subject to?

    Do you also argue that because corporations aren't people, they shouldn't be subject to an income tax, like people? (Whoops -- is that a "can of worms" you don't want to open?)

    (And again, all of this stems from people actually having no idea whatsoever what the rulings in Citizens United actually were.)
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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob N View Post
    I found this opinion piece by Harold Meyerson to be spot on concerning corporations being brought in to the world of personhood.

    Is it alright for corporations to speak for their employees on all matters as a collective? I don't think so.

    Also consider this: Where does this corporations-are-people business start and stop? Note the excerpt from Meyerson's piece:

    Harold Meyerson makes one think about personhood, don't you think? What about wars? People are drafted and go to wars, why not include corporations? Corporations get to itemize a lot of things on their taxes more than the average Joe or Jane. Why do they get to be a special person with extraordinary fiscal relationships with the state?

    Yes, I think Scalia is looking to see how he is going to open this can of worms -- real carefully.
    The problem with this is that it assumes that their isn't an equal and opposite force on the other-side. What this does is enable corporations to lobby in the same way that the pro-democrat unions do.

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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    I find it bizarre how liberals believe the first amendment excludes business. How does that work exactly?

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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Are the people that run the corporation people? Do they not have the right to use their property in the way they see fit, to associate with who they desire, and provide services in the way they see fit? Oh right, for some reason they are lesser beings. Funny how that works. I find liberals are entirely missing the point. In order to protect the rights of people businesses can not be the slaves of the population as a whole.
    You're missing the point. Corporations do not have the right to speak for me collectively and say that it is a person -- a unit of one. If the owner wants to come out and say what he/she believes than fine -- just don't include the business as a whole because there will be dissent somewhere.
    "The end of democracy and the defeat of the American Revolution will occur when government falls into the hands of lending institutions and moneyed incorporations." `Thomas Jefferson

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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob N View Post
    You're missing the point. Corporations do not have the right to speak for me collectively and say that it is a person -- a unit of one. If the owner wants to come out and say what he/she believes than fine -- just don't include the business as a whole because there will be dissent somewhere.
    Well, the United States Supreme Court disagrees with you.

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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob N View Post
    You're missing the point. Corporations do not have the right to speak for me collectively and say that it is a person -- a unit of one. If the owner wants to come out and say what he/she believes than fine -- just don't include the business as a whole because there will be dissent somewhere.
    He owns the business and the property it rests upon. His is the only voice that speaks for it.

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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    He owns the business and the property it rests upon. It is his say on what happens with it.
    Not when it comes to my personal religious point of view and he adds it to as his opinion to the business as a whole he doesn't.
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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Which "obligations and restrictions" are corporations not subject to?

    Do you also argue that because corporations aren't people, they shouldn't be subject to an income tax, like people? (Whoops -- is that a "can of worms" you don't want to open?)

    (And again, all of this stems from people actually having no idea whatsoever what the rulings in Citizens United actually were.)
    I have no idea as to what you're talking about. I never said that businesses were not subject to income taxes.
    "The end of democracy and the defeat of the American Revolution will occur when government falls into the hands of lending institutions and moneyed incorporations." `Thomas Jefferson

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