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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob N View Post
    I never said that. I do not believe that any collective should be thought of as a person.
    Except when they're taxed like one.
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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob N View Post
    That is collective. Businesses, if they are a person, can't be a collective and a person too.
    I can *maybe* see there being an argument for publicly-held corporations, but not for privately held ones. All a corporation is is a type of business structure. Nothing more.
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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Let me refer you to post #52.

    The UFCW is organizing "Black Friday" protests against Walmart and the NLRB has allowed them to hand out $50 gift cards to the protesters. If that's legit then allowing Walmart to spend money to voice their position must be equally legitimate.
    As long as the collective in Wal-Mart agrees to do that and they're not stating that all their employees believe this to be the right thing to do, and they're not saying that I kicked in money to assist them in this act, and it's their money, than yes.

    Look, I don't care how they run their business just do not speak for me or others when others do not wish to be spoke for and include that as one human being's decision.
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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by EdwinWillers View Post
    I can *maybe* see there being an argument for publicly-held corporations, but not for privately held ones. All a corporation is is a type of business structure. Nothing more.
    A collective is a collective.
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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob N View Post
    A collective is a collective.
    Privately held corporations are not collectives.
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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob N View Post
    A collective is a collective.
    Then how does a union rightfully speak for all of its workers when dealing with management?
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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob N View Post
    I found this opinion piece by Harold Meyerson to be spot on concerning corporations being brought in to the world of personhood.

    Is it alright for corporations to speak for their employees on all matters as a collective? I don't think so.

    Also consider this: Where does this corporations-are-people business start and stop? Note the excerpt from Meyerson's piece:

    Harold Meyerson makes one think about personhood, don't you think? What about wars? People are drafted and go to wars, why not include corporations? Corporations get to itemize a lot of things on their taxes more than the average Joe or Jane. Why do they get to be a special person with extraordinary fiscal relationships with the state?

    Yes, I think Scalia is looking to see how he is going to open this can of worms -- real carefully.
    IMO its a mistake that will be fixed eventually.
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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    So the very fact that hobby lobby disagrees with the notion of providing healthcare coverage for birth control is of no material to you because it has no effect on their business? In what way does that makes sense? Do they not have to provide the service to their employees? How does that not have a direct effect on their business?

    I don't even know what you mean by individual rights of the employees since i can't even begin to imagine what rights would be on the table for them.
    For the sole reason that it's against Hobby Lobby's religious views.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob N View Post
    What you just described is a collective, not a person. You can't have it both ways.
    No, you're starting to understand it. The corporate person represents the collective. The collective is the corporate personhood. They are one in the same.
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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by brothern View Post
    No, you're starting to understand it. The corporate person represents the collective. The collective is the corporate personhood. They are one in the same.
    The law now says that they're a person, not a corporate person. Just a fancy way of getting out of being refereed to as collective. Anyways...should be interesting to see how Scalia deals with this; he is going to have to consider all future implications on this matter.
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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Except when they're taxed like one.
    ... and all other matters as well. When I say "contract creation," what I'm saying is "buying and selling goods."

    Corporations can buy and sell goods, just like people, because they're considered a personhood. They have the ability to own and trade property. They enter and leave contracts.

    If corporation were not legal personhood; who's going to buy, own and eventually sell the $30 million dollar piece of equipment used to manufacture the widgets?
    What, Joe Schmoe in Sales? No, he's entitled to act on behalf of the corporation, who purchases and then owns the equipment.

    Then when that equipment accidentally takes off someone's arm ... is Joe Schmoe the Sales Guy is going to be the one who is held legally responsible and sued?
    No, the corporate person will.
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