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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob N View Post
    There again it depends on the rules of the collective.

    Look. What I'm going to try to convey here is an analogy to the Hobby Lobby matter.

    In a business there are many people with different viewpoints on things that have nothing to do with the business. (the way someone votes; what a person believes in from a religious perspective; etc; ) How can a business claim to say that it speaks for all it's employees on a religious matter when there will be plenty of people that would disagree with that employer?

    And this employer wishes for that decision to be considered as an opinion from one human being? That's like two human beings with two different wants -- one wants to go bowling while the other wants to go fishing -- coming in to conflict. Now through some incredible means you were to merge those two human beings in to one, (think Sci-Fi here ) you would have one entity not knowing if it wanted to pick-up a bowling ball or a fishing pole constantly, and that enity would never make it out the door.
    Let me refer you to post #52.

    The UFCW is organizing "Black Friday" protests against Walmart and the NLRB has allowed them to hand out $50 gift cards to the protesters. If that's legit then allowing Walmart to spend money to voice their position must be equally legitimate.

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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    You are ignoring/avoiding the fact that corporations pay income taxes. No, I'm not referring to taxes stockholders pay on their dividends or capital gains. No, I'm not referring to the taxes employees pay on their personal incomes. I'm talking about the corporate income tax, which is paid by the corporation, not individuals.

    Gosh, why could you possibly be wanting to avoid that?
    That is collective. Businesses, if they are a person, can't be a collective and a person too.
    "The end of democracy and the defeat of the American Revolution will occur when government falls into the hands of lending institutions and moneyed incorporations." `Thomas Jefferson

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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob N View Post
    What you just described is a collective, not a person. You can't have it both ways.
    So a collective of individuals have no right to a voice?

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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob N View Post
    That is collective. Businesses, if they are a person, can't be a collective and a person too.
    WHAT is "collective"? I don't think you know what you're talking about.

    And yes, that is exactly the point -- you want them to be treated as a "collective" and not a "person" for everything EXCEPT income taxes. For income taxes, you're perfectly OK with them being treated as individuals.
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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by EdwinWillers View Post
    Since when does a corporation speak for anyone collectively?
    Since the Hobby Lobby incident.
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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    WHAT is "collective"? I don't think you know what you're talking about.

    And yes, that is exactly the point -- you want them to be treated as a "collective" and not a "person" for everything EXCEPT income taxes. For income taxes, you're perfectly OK with them being treated as individuals.
    Read the OP Harshaw. I used itemizing as an example. Companies get to itemize tremendously. If business is a person and I'm one too, how come I don't get to do that?
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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob N View Post
    That's right -- people. Not as a person.
    And people can protest,make political contributions, petition grievances, freedom of the press and so on.
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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    So a collective of individuals have no right to a voice?
    I never said that. I do not believe that any collective should be thought of as a person.
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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob N View Post
    Since the Hobby Lobby incident.
    HObby Lobby is a privately held corporation. Each of the Hobby Lobby stores are privately owned/run as well. They don't speak for their employees, nor should their employees in any way feel that what their employer does is somehow a reflection of their beliefs.
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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob N View Post
    Read the OP Harshaw. I used itemizing as an example. Companies get to itemize tremendously. If business is a person and I'm one too, how come I don't get to do that?
    Like WHAT? What don't you get to itemize that they do? Things having to do with running a business?
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