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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by danielpalos View Post
    Why is it so difficult for true believers to practice what they preach, but not deny or disparage the Individual Liberty of the rest of us?
    Why is it so difficult for you to realize that a Christian not paying for something that someone else wants is not denying or disparaging individual liberty for anyone. In fact, forcing someone to pay for BC against their religious beliefs is the absence of liberty.

    The employer is not saying that the employee can't take BC - a position that I and pretty much every one would disagree with. He is only saying that he does not want to pay for it as it violates his beliefs and his liberty.

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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Well way to not address anything, but whatever.
    Speaking of not addressing anything, you have never come right out and stated your own dogma, or how I am misunderstanding your faith in libertarianism. Maybe, if you could actually show your hand, you could show me what the difference is between a "left" libertarian and the typical rightwing libertarians I am familiar with....and why I should give a crap about any so called difference between the two!

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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by Commie View Post
    Speaking of not addressing anything, you have never come right out and stated your own dogma, or how I am misunderstanding your faith in libertarianism. Maybe, if you could actually show your hand, you could show me what the difference is between a "left" libertarian and the typical rightwing libertarians I am familiar with....and why I should give a crap about any so called difference between the two!
    Libertarian philosophy is broad and diverse. It can encompass pretty much anything anarchy to socialism. Your mistake its claiming best complete knowledge of libertarian philosophy and then trying to paint the lot of us as anarchist.
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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I find it bizarre how liberals believe the first amendment excludes business. How does that work exactly?
    Liberals..hahahaha. Meyerson is a goddam socialist.
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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    Why is it so difficult for you to realize that a Christian not paying for something that someone else wants is not denying or disparaging individual liberty for anyone. In fact, forcing someone to pay for BC against their religious beliefs is the absence of liberty.

    The employer is not saying that the employee can't take BC - a position that I and pretty much every one would disagree with. He is only saying that he does not want to pay for it as it violates his beliefs and his liberty.
    I am not sure what you mean. I believe we could lower our tax burden by not enforcing purely religious moral laws and let religious authorities pick up that cost.

    How is ensuring forms of contraception for all of your secular employees, any form of infringement on your religious beliefs?

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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by danielpalos View Post
    I am not sure what you mean. I believe we could lower our tax burden by not enforcing purely religious moral laws and let religious authorities pick up that cost.

    How is ensuring forms of contraception for all of your secular employees, any form of infringement on your religious beliefs?
    The employer that has religious beliefs that contradict with BC is being forced to pay for BC for their employees. It seems to me that it would be the equivalent of the government forcing Muslim employers to purchase alcohol for their employees or Jewish employers to purchase bacon for their employees.

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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    The employer that has religious beliefs that contradict with BC is being forced to pay for BC for their employees. It seems to me that it would be the equivalent of the government forcing Muslim employers to purchase alcohol for their employees or Jewish employers to purchase bacon for their employees.
    You may be missing the point about privately held beliefs. Our supreme law of the land is more supreme than even Ten Commandment of Religion.

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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by danielpalos View Post
    You may be missing the point about privately held beliefs. Our supreme law of the land is more supreme than even Ten Commandment of Religion.
    I guess if you completely ignore the 1st amendment and not infringing on religious beliefs.

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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    in general and in most cases individual rights > business/corporations

    its just that simple

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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob N View Post
    I found this opinion piece by Harold Meyerson to be spot on concerning corporations being brought in to the world of personhood.

    Is it alright for corporations to speak for their employees on all matters as a collective? I don't think so.

    Also consider this: Where does this corporations-are-people business start and stop? Note the excerpt from Meyerson's piece:

    Harold Meyerson makes one think about personhood, don't you think? What about wars?
    People are drafted and go to wars, why not include corporations?
    Corporations get to itemize a lot of things on their taxes more than the average Joe or Jane. Why do they get to be a special person with extraordinary fiscal relationships with the state?

    Yes, I think Scalia is looking to see how he is going to open this can of worms -- real carefully.



    In WWII, in the USA, and in Germany also, corporations were kind of drafted to serve in the war.

    Why do you think that they called Detroit "The Arsenal of Democracy"
    ? I'll tell you why: Because in WWII the auto corporations there had to stop making cars and start building tanks, planes and etc. for the war effort.

    Anyone who tried to buy a new car during WWII will verify that.




    I totally agree that if corporations are going to have the same rights as individuals that they should have the same responsibilities and face the same sanctions that individuals face.
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