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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Go back, read the posts again.

    I clearly said ignoring the "race to the bottom" could very well have consequences. Increasing, considerable wealth disparity has never ended well, historically. Choosing communism/socialism has been the choice before...
    And how will that change the worldwide rate of an engineer being $8/hr?

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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    They have about 50-60 more products needing prepped that In-N-Out doesn't have. Even something as simple as laying out different kinds of buns makes a difference.
    No way they have 50-60 more different products, and most of those are simple variations. MAYBE five different buns. Maybe. Two kinds of onions. A couple kinds of cheese and sauces. Jack's variety is higher, but its all frozen.
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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    No way they have 50-60 more different products, and most of those are simple variations. MAYBE five different buns. Maybe. Two kinds of onions. A couple kinds of cheese and sauces. Jack's variety is higher, but its all frozen.
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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    And how will that change the worldwide rate of an engineer being $8/hr?
    It won't. They would try tariffs or rent controls or some other nonsense.

    Or outright revolution.

    "Let them eat cake" is a terrible attitude, even if the quote isn't real.

    Its "get a better job" these days.
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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob N View Post
    You're missing the point. Corporations do not have the right to speak for me collectively and say that it is a person -- a unit of one. If the owner wants to come out and say what he/she believes than fine -- just don't include the business as a whole because there will be dissent somewhere.
    I am reminded of when both parties in Congress essentially did a shake down of the technology companies because they were not contributing to the members election funds or paying much attention to members of Congress at all. The tech companies corrected that of course.

    If you want less influence of companies then what is needed is a more limited role of government so that both the government and its members and corporations have no incentive to do so.
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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow Serious View Post
    I am reminded of when both parties in Congress essentially did a shake down of the technology companies because they were not contributing to the members election funds or paying much attention to members of Congress at all. The tech companies corrected that of course.

    If you want less influence of companies then what is needed is a more limited role of government so that both the government and its members and corporations have no incentive to do so.
    You try telling that to both parties. Big business would fight the living daylights out of less government; those folks (business) fought to become a person; they never would relinquish it.
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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    I did. He asked what you wanted to do about it. You made a snarky post about "doing nothing" and the consequences thereof.
    As a species we have to accept a few things:

    The "market", and capitalism itself is a construct, a made thing, subject to modification as necessary to make it serve EVERYBODY and not just the ownership class.

    People.are not 2x4s. As such, the "market" must modify its calculations.

    Computers and the technologies that facilitate globalism have shifted power to the ownership class, mainly due to portability. This needs to be addressed.

    Lots of things need to be done that will never be profitable. Declaring these jobs not worthy of pay needs to stop. Somebody has to clean the sewer plant screens. They should get more than minimum wage.

    The need for food and shelter is innately coercive. Therefore, no employment contract is free of coercion. Doesn't matter that the employer is just taking advantage of "natural" coercion. Coercion is occurring. This needs to be accounted for.

    None of these things need "communistic" solutions. Just a reasonable overhaul of capitalism. To make it work for everybody.

    A rising tide should lift all boats at about the same RATE. If it isn't, and it isn't, it is appropriate to make changes to our made-up system so it is everybody's tool and not just that of the ownership class.

    This is what I believe we SHOULD do. I don't believe our worlds true rulers will ever allow it.
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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The honchos at Enron went to priso, purdy much making Enron a person.
    Enron can never be a person. It can be granted privilege some of which may seem to mimic personhood but it can never have our right. Corporations are property and cannot possess rights.
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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    As a species we have to accept a few things:

    The "market", and capitalism itself is a construct, a made thing, subject to modification as necessary to make it serve EVERYBODY and not just the ownership class.

    People.are not 2x4s. As such, the "market" must modify its calculations.

    Computers and the technologies that facilitate globalism have shifted power to the ownership class, mainly due to portability. This needs to be addressed.

    Lots of things need to be done that will never be profitable. Declaring these jobs not worthy of pay needs to stop. Somebody has to clean the sewer plant screens. They should get more than minimum wage.

    The need for food and shelter is innately coercive. Therefore, no employment contract is free of coercion. Doesn't matter that the employer is just taking advantage of "natural" coercion. Coercion is occurring. This needs to be accounted for.

    None of these things need "communistic" solutions. Just a reasonable overhaul of capitalism. To make it work for everybody.

    A rising tide should lift all boats at about the same RATE. If it isn't, and it isn't, it is appropriate to make changes to our made-up system so it is everybody's tool and not just that of the ownership class.

    This is what I believe we SHOULD do. I don't believe our worlds true rulers will ever allow it.
    I would say the devil is in the details for all of that. It's easy to say; not so easy to come up with an actual workable plan.
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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    The need for food and shelter is innately coercive. Therefore, no employment contract is free of coercion.
    The need for food and shelter is innately coercive. Therefore, giving money to another person is coercing them.

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