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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Well, I disagree. I think your interpretation is wrong.
    There is nothing to disagree with. They are humans and as such interpret according to their personality and experience. Their ruling is not always accurate or correct as I also pointed out. That is a fact. Nothing to disagree with. That is, unless I am missing what you are disagreeing with.
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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    In and Out and McDonald's both got their start in the 1940s, and today In and Out has 291 restaurants worldwide compared to McDonald's 34,000.

    McDonald's employs roughly 100 times as many people as does In and Out..

    Five Guys Burgers&Fires started in 1986 with roughly the same quality model as In and Out, but paid minimum wage to start, and now has 1000+ locations nationwide.

    In and Out probably has better employee retention than McDonald's and Five Guys, but is that really that good of a thing for the average In and Out employee?
    From what I understand In n Out's pay structure is aimed at providing a good part time income for college students so they don't have to work themselves to death while trying to get an education

    Therefore, they expect their employees to move on and are helping them do so.
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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    It's a trade-off of costs.



    Yes. As well as labor, not least because the larger variety of food requires either more people to prep it or a longer time to do it in.
    Not really. Most fast food places, everything comes ready to cook and serve. All that stuff on Jack in the Box's menu is frozen ready to throw in the fryer. At Taco Bell even the cheese and lettuce comes pre-shredded.

    Little on most fast food menus is labor intensive or a serious waste issue.
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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Not really. Most fast food places, everything comes ready to cook and serve. All that stuff on Jack in the Box's menu is frozen ready to throw in the fryer. At Taco Bell even the cheese and lettuce comes pre-shredded.

    Little on most fast food menus is labor intensive or a serious waste issue.
    That's just . . . not true. There's plenty of prep which needs to be done. Have you ever worked food?
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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    In N Out is apparently $10.50 - still not a living wage... Keep going... If you are only concerned that they pay more then minimum.. Walmart does - so nothing more for you to complain about.
    Walmart pays about $8.50 average based on experience to start.

    So $.75/hr over minimum. $340/week gross

    In n Out $10.50. $2.75 over minimum. $420/wk gross.

    A difference of $80/wk, $320/month.

    Not exactly apples and apples.
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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    How will that change the worldwide rate of an engineer being $8/hr?
    Oh, it'll make things worse.

    But hopeless people do stupid things.

    As a species we need to accept that human beings aren't 2x4s or 3/8" screws, and calculating their "value" to the "market" as such is completely unacceptable in a made up game that is supposed to serve EVERYBODY.
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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Oh, it'll make things worse.

    But hopeless people do stupid things.

    As a species we need to accept that human beings aren't 2x4s or 3/8" screws, and calculating their "value" to the "market" as such is completely unacceptable in a made up game that is supposed to serve EVERYBODY.
    Some people are more valuable than others, thats just a hard fact of life, wilbur.

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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Oh, it'll make things worse.

    But hopeless people do stupid things.

    As a species we need to accept that human beings aren't 2x4s or 3/8" screws, and calculating their "value" to the "market" as such is completely unacceptable in a made up game that is supposed to serve EVERYBODY.
    The point is, you didn't actually answer the question.
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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    My biggest problem with it is it in essence grants foreign nations the power to buy a limited level of instant US citizenship and influence US elections outcomes. Anyone with money can purchase stock in a publicly traded corporation; American, foreigner, friend or foe. Although its illegal to accept campaign contributions from a Middle Eastern Oil Sheik or member of the Communist Party of Cuba, under the present interpretation of the law all they would need to do is buy enough stock in a corporation and direct that the corporation make the campaign contribution. Then add to that the limits that are placed on personal contributions while corporations can give way more to finance US elections than regular citizens.
    You're right. That's what happens when you grant a company personhood. Thanks for sharing.
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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by Phil_Osophy View Post
    You have to compete for those jobs.

    We live on a little round ball with FINITE resources that must be competed for. You want a bigger share? Work harder.
    The structure under which "competition" occurs is a construct. Subject to modification. "Competition" isn't "pure" because if it was I could take your mansion if you couldn't defend it. Your factory too.

    And people ARE working harder. Their wages just aren't going up because proceeds from increased productivity go to the owners.
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