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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    So you would support restrictions on groups like American Progress, or Open Society Institute, as well as the Tides Foundation, or Annenberg Foundation. No political posturing, no political agenda support allowed.
    As long as any collective is not trying to say something that is trying to put words in my moth than they're fine.
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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    That's a ridiculous standard. If you get more than 3 people in a room odds are they aren't all going to agree on what to have for lunch much less any political agenda.
    Exactly Luther. Chances are even two people are not going to agree with each other, so why should one person automatically speak for the other? And even if they all agreed, I would still consider it a collective decision and not a decision of one.
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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob N View Post
    As long as any collective is not trying to say something that is trying to put words in my moth than they're fine.
    So one dissenting voice is all that it takes? I think that would effectively silence all, don't you?.

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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob N View Post
    Wow! I'm legally a person. And if owners are people -- which I presume them to be -- than why can't I too slide out of not paying taxes? Does not one person have the same rights as others?


    Taxsituations.jpg

    First scenario is you right now. You pay tax on your salary.

    Second scenario is the corporation and its owner. Both the corporate person and its owner(s) pay taxes. The corporation's after-tax income is your salary. You owning the corporation makes it so that the income is taxed twice.

    Third scenario is what you are thinking, where you're not paying taxes on your income coming from your corporation. That's illegal and would end you up in prison.


    EDIT: In before all the "WHAT!?!?" Yes, I know I took liberities with that explanation. I'm not going to try to detail the exact differences between owners' withdrawals, wages, dividends, etc. and how they're all taxed similarly and different from each other. That'd take flipping days.
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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    So one dissenting voice is all that it takes? I think that would effectively silence all, don't you?.
    It depends on the rules of a specific collective; one dissenting vote does not ruin a presidential election.

    I just do not like some people (or one person for that matter.) coming out and saying what Bob believes would be the best choice for a presidential candidate and no one takes the time to see if that statement is true.
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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob N View Post
    It depends on the rules of a specific collective; one dissenting vote does not ruin a presidential election.

    I just do not like some people (or one person for that matter.) coming out and saying what Bob believes would be the best choice for a presidential candidate and no one takes the time to see if that statement is true.
    Unfortunately, such a thing has been going on long before Citizens United.

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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob N View Post
    Exactly Luther. Chances are even two people are not going to agree with each other, so why should one person automatically speak for the other? And even if they all agreed, I would still consider it a collective decision and not a decision of one.
    The difference is that if you organize a group for a given purpose and appoint a spokesman for that group then it's assumed that all members of that group are a party to whatever message the group presents. Individual members of the group are free to disagree or disassociate themselves but they have still agreed to appoint the spokesman.

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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    All businesses, clubs, groups, organizations, charities and churches all have different rights and obligations than individuals under the law. Which I think is appropriate for their existence, though corporations have too much control over regulations and legislation thru lobbying and campaign contributions.

    Mega-Intl-Corporations have become a cover like the gov for their operators to do many misdeeds. They say they're fair and in the name of progress we can't live without them, when in truth they've become a cancer and leech. Anything too big to fail has too much power in our society.

    All that they do could be done better by a handful of smaller companies competing for our business.
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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Are the people that run the corporation people? Do they not have the right to use their property in the way they see fit, to associate with who they desire, and provide services in the way they see fit? Oh right, for some reason they are lesser beings. Funny how that works. I find liberals are entirely missing the point. In order to protect the rights of people businesses can not be the slaves of the population as a whole.
    The whole point of corporations is to protect people associated with a corporation from being held responsible for their actions. I oppose the corporate structure, to make those individuals equal with the rest of us, not privileged as they currently are.

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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob N View Post
    You're missing the point. Corporations do not have the right to speak for me collectively and say that it is a person -- a unit of one. If the owner wants to come out and say what he/she believes than fine -- just don't include the business as a whole because there will be dissent somewhere.
    Since when does a corporation speak for anyone collectively? Just because someone is employed by a corporation and the corporation decides to contribute - to whomever or to whatever - does not mean such a contribution is in any way on your behalf.

    Consider too that roughly 87% of all corporations in this nation employ less than 20 employees - which means they're small businesses, most likely owned by one person. If the owner of a business decides to contribute some of his / her business' money to whomever or whatever, for whatever reason, that's their business - not yours.

    So the premise that "corporations speak for its employees" is pure bunk. They don't.
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