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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    In and Out and McDonald's both got their start in the 1940s, and today In and Out has 291 restaurants worldwide compared to McDonald's 34,000.

    McDonald's employs roughly 100 times as many people as does In and Out..

    Five Guys Burgers&Fires started in 1986 with roughly the same quality model as In and Out, but paid minimum wage to start, and now has 1000+ locations nationwide.

    In and Out probably has better employee retention than McDonald's and Five Guys, but is that really that good of a thing for the average In and Out employee?
    I don't know In N Out as we don't have them here (which further proves your point), but well done.

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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    I don't know In N Out as we don't have them here (which further proves your point), but well done.
    Well, if you don't live in one of the few areas served by In and Out Burger the only real exposure you would have had to the company is that it was the "Damn fine burger" in the movie PULP FICTION.

    The point of the argument is that In and Out's business model may be slightly better for their low-rung employees -- if flipping burgers is your career aspiration -- but as a business model it is terrible. The promotional opportunity alone in Five Guys, McDonald's, Wallmart and any of the other huge company chains is far superior to that of the miniscule In and Out.
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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Well, if you don't live in one of the few areas served by In and Out Burger the only real exposure you would have had to the company is that it was the "Damn fine burger" in the movie PULP FICTION.
    Well, that and Big Lebowski.. but yes.

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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    And how do you propose to change that fact?
    Ignore it and see Americans vote in socialism when capitalism is proven to not be working for them.
    Anyone wondering what I'm talking about start here:
    The Psychology of Persuasion

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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Ignore it and see Americans vote in socialism when capitalism is proven to not be working for them.
    How will that change the worldwide rate of an engineer being $8/hr?
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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    How will that change the worldwide rate of an engineer being $8/hr?
    Thank you for saving me the effort.

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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    only because the law was created [lobbying of special interest] then challenged, if the senate had been in the state hands, the legislation would have not seen the light of day to begin with let alone reach the court.
    Is that because a senate stacked with state-appointed senators would be continually gridlocked? I'm a little sketchy on how an unelected senate approves things. If it were impossible to get Citizen's United through the Senate, would that mean other legislation....maybe even most legislation would be similarly stonewalled, and die waiting for senate approval?

    It's worth noting that one of the great revelations of the discovery of how ALEC functions, is that the corporate financiers who get their lawyers together with invited politicians, for the purpose of presenting the politicos modeled legislation, concentrate more on state and local government; not the federal government! Before most of us became aware of how this game was played, it seemed a mystery that so many local governments across the USA were passing very similar legislation on topics from: privatizing prisons and public schools, to union-busting laws and even so called "Stand Your Ground" laws. Now, it's a mystery no longer! As the trail of money and influence can be traced back to the sources.

    democracy is a vile form of government-- james madsion father of the constitution.

    faction/ special interest....... is huge by-product of democracy, ..it is always at war with individual rights of the people.
    How is democracy "at war" with individual rights? The subtle shift in rightwing rhetoric over the last 20 years against democracy...i.e. the constantly repeated refrain of right wing talking heads:'America is a representative republic, not a democracy,' shows the hand being played by libertarians and conservatives, that they don't really care about individual rights and freedoms and desires and all that claptrap! What the right cares about is MONEY. The right wants to replace democracy with dollarocracy, so those with more money are able to use their money more effectively to advance their own interests. And those who don't have as much money: Sad Day For You! And the tendency of capitalism to increase the gaps in income, is accelerated.

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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by Phil_Osophy View Post
    Yeah its all a ****ing conspiracy. Heres a prescription: if you dont like a business dont shop there. Dont work there. Dont give your business to people you dont like.
    Which is why I don't shop at Walmart, or buy crap at McDonalds!
    But, I am in a financial position to have more choices over how I use my dollars than many people who are poor and on the margins of society. And this reveals just how fake the facade is of so called freedumb-lovin libertarianism! Because, you know as well as I do (or you should), that the poor have less dollars to shop with...which greatly limits their shopping choices (I don't see welfare people shopping at Whole Foods), and they may have to use their limited dollars to buy crap made with sweatshop labour at Walmart, because the alternatives are out of their price range! While those who earn $100,000 and up, have even greater purchasing power. And, this reveals who has the freedom and who is trapped, after we transcend to libertarian nirvana. The libertarian dream is to have mass unemployment, so people are desperate for those walmart and mcdonalds jobs, and get payed so little that they can only afford to shop at walmart and for a treat: buy burgers at mcdonalds!
    Last edited by Commie; 12-02-13 at 03:06 PM.

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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by Commie View Post
    Is that because a senate stacked with state-appointed senators would be continually gridlocked? I'm a little sketchy on how an unelected senate approves things. If it were impossible to get Citizen's United through the Senate, would that mean other legislation....maybe even most legislation would be similarly stonewalled, and die waiting for senate approval?

    It's worth noting that one of the great revelations of the discovery of how ALEC functions, is that the corporate financiers who get their lawyers together with invited politicians, for the purpose of presenting the politicos modeled legislation, concentrate more on state and local government; not the federal government! Before most of us became aware of how this game was played, it seemed a mystery that so many local governments across the USA were passing very similar legislation on topics from: privatizing prisons and public schools, to union-busting laws and even so called "Stand Your Ground" laws. Now, it's a mystery no longer! As the trail of money and influence can be traced back to the sources.


    How is democracy "at war" with individual rights? The subtle shift in rightwing rhetoric over the last 20 years against democracy...i.e. the constantly repeated refrain of right wing talking heads:'America is a representative republic, not a democracy,' shows the hand being played by libertarians and conservatives, that they don't really care about individual rights and freedoms and desires and all that claptrap! What the right cares about is MONEY. The right wants to replace democracy with dollarocracy, so those with more money are able to use their money more effectively to advance their own interests. And those who don't have as much money: Sad Day For You! And the tendency of capitalism to increase the gaps in income, is accelerated.
    by asking me these questions i applaud you, they are great questions, and i am glad your asked them, becuase i will explain, using what the founding fathers created, the structure of the federal government[republican government], to make my point.

    i am limited for time right now, and do not have the ability to explain it fully, but i will do my very best to give you the information, later in the late afternoon, if you will please bare with me.

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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Yup. Get yourself one of those millions of unfilled, good paying jobs.

    Oh, wait...
    You have to compete for those jobs.

    We live on a little round ball with FINITE resources that must be competed for. You want a bigger share? Work harder.

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