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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob N View Post
    Also consider this: Where does this corporations-are-people business start and stop?
    Corporations are not people. Only people are people. Corporations are organizations.

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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    Corporations are not people. Only people are people. Corporations are organizations.
    Corporations are organizations that are run by people. If those people running the organizations want to use those organizations to push a political agenda, they should be able to. If you dont like it, dont work there. Businesses typically domt engage openly in politics because it isnt beneficial most of the time, but its their business and if they want to take that risk they should be able to.

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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob N View Post
    I'm under no obligation to quit; the owner(s) are obligated to quit using me or other workers to form one opinion or belief.
    Apparently they're not actually under any such obligation.

    You seem to think they should be, but what you think really amounts to a hill of beans.

    Maybe if the OWS crowd ever gets their **** together again you can suggest that they add this to the agenda and turn it into a national movement!!!

    God knows that they didn't render themselves completely irrelevant last time by adopting every leftist agenda under the sun and completely watering down their message.
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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by Phil_Osophy View Post
    Corporations are organizations that are run by people. If those people running the organizations want to use those organizations to push a political agenda, they should be able to. If you dont like it, dont work there. Businesses typically domt engage openly in politics because it isnt beneficial most of the time, but its their business and if they want to take that risk they should be able to.
    No argument here. I support freedom of association and freedom of speech for all people.

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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    The most interesting thing about this debate for me is that the people who oppose it the most seem to miss the bigger picture. Before the Citizens United ruling wealthy Americans had a somewhat greater influence on the national political discourse because they, as individuals, had far more money to throw at politics than the average American. The Citizens United decision breaks down the wall that prohibited groups of individuals from political expression. While in the process the decision had to allow all associations equal first amendment protection (be they corporate, union or, in the case of CU, voluntary private associations). What CU does is give more power to the private citizen as it allows them to organize and affect government policy in many ways formerly proscribed by law.

    But many people seem to want to inflict harm on their own personal liberties purely to spite "corporations", while not actually affecting the political influence of corporate leadership -- who individually have far more money to throw at politics than the average person -- in any meaningful way.
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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    The most interesting thing about this debate for me is that the people who oppose it the most seem to miss the bigger picture. Before the Citizens United ruling wealthy Americans had a somewhat greater influence on the national political discourse because they, as individuals, had far more money to throw at politics than the average American. The Citizens United decision breaks down the wall that prohibited groups of individuals from political expression. While in the process the decision had to allow all associations equal first amendment protection (be they corporate, union or, in the case of CU, voluntary private associations). What CU does is give more power to the private citizen as it allows them to organize and affect government policy in many ways formerly proscribed by law.

    But many people seem to want to inflict harm on their own personal liberties purely to spite "corporations", while not actually affecting the political influence of corporate leadership -- who individually have far more money to throw at politics than the average person -- in any meaningful way.

    Most people have no idea what the Supreme Court actually ruled in Citizens United. Anyone who mindlessly bleats "they ruled corporations are people!!!" certainly does not.
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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    I'm OK with the market setting wages and unskilled positions not making 50k/year - which is the "living wage" in my area.
    Sounds like So Cal rents.

    $1000+ a month.

    So the minimum wage folks have about $240 a month for EVERYTHING else.
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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Sounds like So Cal rents.

    $1000+ a month.

    So the minimum wage folks have about $240 a month for EVERYTHING else.
    If they choose to live alone.
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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Sounds like So Cal rents.

    $1000+ a month.

    So the minimum wage folks have about $240 a month for EVERYTHING else.

    Which is why minimum wage was meant for teenagers so they can afford XBox. If your argument is that minimum wage should be high enough that a McDonald's cashier can afford to live alone in San Diego then I would like to give you a lesson in supply and demand.
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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    If they choose to live alone.
    Presuming they can find a place that will rent to more than one and they have rented enough money to have an adequate credit score.

    So yeah, $750/month or so would allow survival most places. Better than that in some areas.

    The real question is what jobs will be declared "unskilled" next. And what to do about all those things that MUST be done but simply don't generate adequate profits. Somebody has to clean the screens at the sewage treatment plant. Not profitable though. Minimum wage.

    Hell, SOMEBODY has to run the registers for Walmart or they will make NO money.

    Really can't wait until MORE positions are deemed unworthy of more than minimum wage. Only a matter of time.
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