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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Nonsense. You get higher local prices and the entire nation may get to pay a teeny, tiny bit less in "welfare'' for those 4 store's employees. If the "welfare" costs were local, then you may have had a point, but only if the increased local prices were offset by the decrease in your local taxes. Do you assert that your taxes went down due to the reduction in "welfare" costs? If not then you simply get to pay higher prices thanks to your union driving up local labor costs.
    First, you have five large stores open that provide tons more jobs than one Super Walmart store which keeps unemployment down. Second, you have real competition, these stores must compete for consumers (that is what keeps prices down btw). Third, taxes may or may not necessarily go up depending on if the towns prefer to cut town resources/infrastructure. You MUST pay for those state subsidies one way or another.

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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    You're blaming the business for paying a fair labor cost, then demanding they pay more because their employees are taking advantage of the welfare system.
    It's not fair labor cost. People that work full time should be able to afford the basics and have a little left over. They should NOT be making poverty level wages. We didn't do that to factory workers. We don't need to do that to retail workers.

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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    First, you have five large stores open that provide tons more jobs than one Super Walmart store which keeps unemployment down. Second, you have real competition, these stores must compete for consumers (that is what keeps prices down btw). Third, taxes may or may not necessarily go up depending on if the towns prefer to cut town resources/infrastructure. You MUST pay for those state subsidies one way or another.
    There is some merit to higher wages, but only if that does not simply mean an even higher cost of living resulting from that "wealth". MA is not bad in that regard, ranking 13th among the US states.

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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    It's not fair labor cost. People that work full time should be able to afford the basics and have a little left over. They should NOT be making poverty level wages. We didn't do that to factory workers. We don't need to do that to retail workers.
    It's unskilled labor, meant mainly for high school and college students. It is not a job you are meant to camp out at and raise a family with. If someone makes the decision that Walmart or other unskilled labor is all they want to do, or their prior decisions makes it all that they can do, it should not be society's requirement to take care of them. For the type of labor involved, $8.00 / hour is more then fair. I don't know where this belief that all full time jobs should pay enough to raise a family and have extra leftover for savings started, but it really is ridiculous.

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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    It's unskilled labor, meant mainly for high school and college students. It is not a job you are meant to camp out at and raise a family with. If someone makes the decision that Walmart or other unskilled labor is all they want to do, or their prior decisions makes it all that they can do, it should not be society's requirement to take care of them. For the type of labor involved, $8.00 / hour is more then fair. I don't know where this belief that all full time jobs should pay enough to raise a family and have extra leftover for savings started, but it really is ridiculous.
    Sorry, wrong. It's not just your average high school/college student working retail. Retail makes up a huge sector of US jobs. It replaced manufacturing jobs. People who did work those factory jobs did not make poverty level wages. They worked and had very working class lives not poverty stricken ones.

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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob N View Post
    You're missing the point. Corporations do not have the right to speak for me collectively and say that it is a person -- a unit of one. If the owner wants to come out and say what he/she believes than fine -- just don't include the business as a whole because there will be dissent somewhere.
    Yeah partners in a large firms or doctors in four to five partner firms are different

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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Sorry, wrong. It's not just your average high school/college student working retail. Retail makes up a huge sector of US jobs. It replaced manufacturing jobs. People who did work those factory jobs did not make poverty level wages. They worked and had very working class lives not poverty stricken ones.
    Non-skilled labor is meant for HS/college... Not for supporting a family and having enough left over for savings. You are free to disagree, but you are wrong. Just because manufacturing has mostly left the US, does not mean that it is suddenly unfair that non-skilled retail positions do not pay enough to support a family.

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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    Yeah partners in a large firms or doctors in four to five partner firms are different
    No they don't. Sometimes they disagree on something too every once in a while.

    But here are some key words for you: partners; firm. Notice that those words describe more than one -- not one human being.
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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    Non-skilled labor is meant for HS/college... Not for supporting a family and having enough left over for savings. You are free to disagree, but you are wrong. Just because manufacturing has mostly left the US, does not mean that it is suddenly unfair that non-skilled retail positions do not pay enough to support a family.
    You are wrong that retail jobs are meant only for college/HS students. Look at the ages of retail workers next time you shop. You have quite a mix.

    Factory work did allow full time employees decent enough wages to raise a family and they also received good benefits to boot. We had four levels of full time workers in this country: working class, middle, upper, and wealthy. We never had poverty level in the mix. That was reserved for people who did not work full time jobs. The Walmart model introduced the poverty model here and deserves every bit of criticism for it.

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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob N View Post
    No they don't. Sometimes they disagree on something too every once in a while.

    But here are some key words for you: partners; firm. Notice that those words describe more than one -- not one human being.
    if corporations can't be considered one, lawyers in large firms shouldn't be either

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