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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    Other then competition and being able to offer lower prices then the other stores.
    You're not getting the point. They DO NOT and I will repeat again....DO NOT offer lower prices or competition. Those both come with a hitch.

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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    It seems to me you don't practice what you preach. I see some whining about unions which happens to give back some type of power to the workers. They wouldn't have to whine about low wages and/or collect subsidies if they got better pay. There is no reason why a store like Walmart can't provide that to their workers. Plenty of other stores have proven it. With that said, I do understand why workers get intimidated. It really only takes one strong leader to cure that in any work place. I would like to see more take a stand rather than less.
    Please back up that bold assertion with links. If you are going to use Costco, then don't bother; Costco uses 1/2 the labor per square foot of retail space, sells relatively few items, requires high annual membership fees, sells in bulk and leaves stuff on pallets.

    The reason that retail stores (among other businesses) pay their workers low wages is that is exactly what is required to get and keep qualified unskilled labor. Walmart does not compete with high end retail outlets, or Costco, it offers a wide array of (generally) low end products at discount prices. If required to significantly raise wages, it would still have its current advantage of volume sales/buying, but simply raise its prices to cover that added cost. The down side to higher minimum wages, would be felt by the smaller businesses, since labor is a higher percentage of their total cost of sales.
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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    I'm not so sure.

    We lost our manufacturing base to people working for survival level wages to avoid dying.

    When they have you by the balls...
    The beauty of retail is they can't just ship it overseas because they are specifically targeting US consumers. Now factory jobs paid good solid wages in most cases. That is when the US economy was at its best for all workers. We didn't see so much this attitude that certain workers deserved poverty level wages. The working poor was few not plentiful. We can change it if enough people continue the good fight for better treatment/wages.
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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    You're not getting the point. They DO NOT and I will repeat again....DO NOT offer lower prices or competition. Those both come with a hitch.
    The prices at the store are lower.

    The cost to society is a different story. If you don't like the cost to society, modify the welfare system. But don't create a welfare system that is more generous then required then complain that people are taking advantage of it.

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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Please back up that bold assertion with links. If you are going to use Costco, then don't bother; Costco uses 1/2 the labor per square foot of retail space, sells relatively few items, requires high annual membership fees, sells in bulk and leaves stuff on pallets.

    The reason that retail stores (among other businesses) pay their workers low wages is that is exactly what is required to get and keep qualified unskilled labor. Walmart does not compete with high end retail outlets, or Costco, it offers a wide array of (generally) low end products at discount prices. If required to significantly raise wages, it would still have its current advantage of volume sales/buying, but simply raise its prices to cover that added cost. The down side to higher minimum wages, would be felt by the smaller businesses, since labor is a higher percentage of their total cost of sales.
    I don't think the Costcos, WalMarts, Sams, etc. should pay higher wages. They developed markets with good marketing plans and policies. I watched WalMart try to get USA bidders on many products and labor costs forced the purchases overseas, but they tried America first. It's just business. Quit bitching about minimum wage and start encouraging the gov't to initiate some policies that start small businesses instead of Corporate initiated legislation that always discourages small businesses. I don't think labor cost is the whole problem.

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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Please back up that bold assertion with links. If you are going to use Costco, then don't bother; Costco uses 1/2 the labor per square foot of retail space, sells relatively few items, requires high annual membership fees, sells in bulk and leaves stuff on pallets.

    The reason that retail stores (among other businesses) pay their workers low wages is that is exactly what is required to get and keep qualified unskilled labor. Walmart does not compete with high end retail outlets, or Costco, it offers a wide array of (generally) low end products at discount prices. If required to significantly raise wages, it would still have its current advantage of volume sales/buying, but simply raise its prices to cover that added cost. The down side to higher minimum wages, would be felt by the smaller businesses, since labor is a higher percentage of their total cost of sales.
    I did. In my area we have 5 chains competing against each other. One is union. That chains keep up wages for all other stores in order to keep the union out of them. It's a win win for everyone. We get real competition so consumers benefit. The community benefits because they don't have to pay out subsidies to its many workers and the workers benefit with decent wages.
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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Since artificial Persons may be created through legal forms of fiction for the ease and convenience of our system of law, why not consider them "public" persons if they must obtain recognition from the public sector in much the same manner, records are made public for full faith and credit purposes in our republic.

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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    The prices at the store are lower.

    The cost to society is a different story. If you don't like the cost to society, modify the welfare system. But don't create a welfare system that is more generous then required then complain that people are taking advantage of it.
    First, I never stated people are taking advantage of anything. Sh*t, if you got to eat, you got to eat. Just taking the welfare system away won't fix that problem.

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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    I did. In my area we have 5 chains competing against each other. One is union. That chains keep up wages for all other stores in order to keep the union out of them. It's a win win for everyone. We get real competition so consumers benefit. The community benefits because they don't have to pay out subsidies to its many workers and the workers benefit with decent wages.
    Nonsense. You get higher local prices and the entire nation may get to pay a teeny, tiny bit less in "welfare'' for those 4 store's employees. If the "welfare" costs were local, then you may have had a point, but only if the increased local prices were offset by the decrease in your local taxes. Do you assert that your taxes went down due to the reduction in "welfare" costs? If not then you simply get to pay higher prices thanks to your union driving up local labor costs.
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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    First, I never stated people are taking advantage of anything.
    You're blaming the business for paying a fair labor cost, then demanding they pay more because their employees are taking advantage of the welfare system.

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