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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    Nope. The cashier's with the most seniority will make over $20 + benefits and on Sunday, at time and a half, it's $30/hour. I used to work for them I my HS/college days. Had I stayed with them, I'd be in that $20.00 / hour range. Not bad for simply passing items over a scanner.
    That's insane. I mean, I'm aware of merit raises, and I agree with that. However, most of those unskilled, uneducated jobs I've heard of, you cap out after a certain amount. Like at Walmart, I'm sure you get merit raises every 6 months for a while, but after about 10 years I would imagine that you're pretty much capped at what you can make, and only receive raises for increases in minimum wage or COLAs.

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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    It is a fact.

    If not for the welfare state, employees would probably not take the jobs that pay less, forcing the employee to raise their prices to compete for the labor. (Mainly) Democrats have decided to subsidize lower wage employers by offering such benefits. If that's what people want, great, but then don't complain and act surprised when people or businesses take advantage of it.
    I guess they could just not eat until they found a "real" job. Or walk across the country to where the work is better and hope to not get arrested for vagrancy on the way.

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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    Unions are affecting more then just wages. As indicated, they also force inefficient use of that labor. But yes, unions are forcing wages to be at a level that the market does not support and the job is not worth. If they were to reduce welfare type programs, the wages for labor may (or may not) increase a bit, but not nearly as high as the unions have required. Regardless, if wages would increase or not, the people that most support welfare programs are primarily the ones that whine and act surprised that someone is taking advantage of them.

    BTW, I saw a stat on MSNBC that showed only 10% of Walmart's workers are on Medicare. If that's true, it doesn't seem that big a problem anyway.
    It seems to me you don't practice what you preach. I see some whining about unions which happens to give back some type of power to the workers. They wouldn't have to whine about low wages and/or collect subsidies if they got better pay. There is no reason why a store like Walmart can't provide that to their workers. Plenty of other stores have proven it. With that said, I do understand why workers get intimidated. It really only takes one strong leader to cure that in any work place. I would like to see more take a stand rather than less.

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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    It isn't always about direct contributions to politicians. Unions spend far more money on a wider range of political activities, including supporting state and local candidates and deploying what has long been seen as the unions' most potent political weapon: persuading members to vote as unions want them to. The new figures come from a little-known set of annual reports to the Labor Department in which local unions, their national parents and labor federations have been required to detail their spending on politics and lobbying since 2005.

    Political Spending by Unions
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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    I guess they could just not eat until they found a "real" job. Or walk across the country to where the work is better and hope to not get arrested for vagrancy on the way.

    These "get a job" arguments are SO vacuous.
    It's their only defense.

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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    That's insane. I mean, I'm aware of merit raises, and I agree with that. However, most of those unskilled, uneducated jobs I've heard of, you cap out after a certain amount. Like at Walmart, I'm sure you get merit raises every 6 months for a while, but after about 10 years I would imagine that you're pretty much capped at what you can make, and only receive raises for increases in minimum wage or COLAs.
    There are employees at Jewel working under two different contracts. The people under the older contracts are the ones making over $20/hour. People under the newer contract are in the 10-12 range. I'd have to look at the latest contract info to find out the new employee's ranges and I don't think we have one hanging around right now.

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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    There is no reason why a store like Walmart can't provide that to their workers. Plenty of other stores have proven it.
    Other then competition and being able to offer lower prices then the other stores.

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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Actually, the best thing to do in this situation may be to take away all state subsidies and then the people will have to stand up for their right to better pay or Walmart won't find workers. I've a feeling most people won't accept working all day long to take home poverty level wages. You would have more people with a stake in the game if they can't feed their family. No government benefits to fall back on. I say let's do it before or country goes backward anymore.
    I'm not so sure.

    We lost our manufacturing base to people working for survival level wages to avoid dying.

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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    There are employees at Jewel working under two different contracts. The people under the older contracts are the ones making over $20/hour. People under the newer contract are in the 10-12 range. I'd have to look at the latest contract info to find out the new employee's ranges and I don't think we have one hanging around right now.
    You know those guys making 20 an hour have to be practically model citizens. If I took over management, I'd watch the 20-an-hour like a hawk and fire them for even the smallest screw-up. Union be damned.

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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    You know those guys making 20 an hour have to be practically model citizens. If I took over management, I'd watch the 20-an-hour like a hawk and fire them for even the smallest screw-up. Union be damned.
    They are well protected. A few of my wife's good friends are under the old contract. Most of them are fine cashiers (whatever that really requires), but one of them is a truly awful cashier. She shares too much (TMI) with the customers where the customers will complain at times, she's slow at her job, She's made some mistakes etc... but she's safe. Pretty much as long as she doesn't get caught stealing and her attendance is good.. .she'll be OK.

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