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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    You don't have to. You're free to work as you choose. I'm a self-preservationist, so I'm fine with them molesting Cambodian children in the stock room if I gets my money.
    Yeah, sure, except that part of my pay is in company stock. MY money is being used to send the message that I support Mitt Romney.



    Corporations ain't people. I'm flummoxed that this is a difficult message to get across.
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    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    No it's not, unless you believe in conscription or indentured servitude.
    I want whole milk from the Amish farmer, but that's illegal. Have to get regulated milk from Corporate dairy that initiated the regulation that all milk must be pasteurized/homogenized. Regulation by Corporation biting my ass. I don't want any Nuclear electricity and regulators have forced this "welfare queen" up my rectum and it hangs like a big hemmrhoid sp. I want to sell electricity to my neighbor but that is illegal by regulation initiated by large Energy Corporations to protect their franchises. This list could go on and on, but I hope you get the point. Regulation puts small businesses out of business. Large Corporations are cheerleaders for these regulation and often authors of the legislation.

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    Can I, being of fairly sound mind and body, declare myself a limited liability person?
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    Cutting wages does mean lower prices. But for food stamps, medicare, and welfare, reduce them and/or put additional requirements around them. I find it funny that the very people that insist we pay all these welfare programs and keep the requirements low are, for the most part, the very ones that complain that people have to use them and won't let the requirements be increased or payouts reduced. Walmart shouldn't have to pay some unskilled position $20.00 an hour just because some people want to make welfare programs available to more then we can afford.
    Actually, the best thing to do in this situation may be to take away all state subsidies and then the people will have to stand up for their right to better pay or Walmart won't find workers. I've a feeling most people won't accept working all day long to take home poverty level wages. You would have more people with a stake in the game if they can't feed their family. No government benefits to fall back on. I say let's do it before or country goes backward anymore.

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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    Can I, being of fairly sound mind and body, declare myself a limited liability person?
    Sort of. You can incorporate and write the charter to cover all of your activities, because a corporation can only do what is written in the charter. A broadly written charter should handle that. Then everything you do is business and everything you buy is a business expense. You will pay corporate tax rates and be required to make a profit in one out of 5 years, I think. Considerable paperwork. Legal fees, etc. You could probably do the same thing with an LLC.

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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Lower wages does not automatically translate to lower consumer prices. It simple means lower operating cost for the employer/corporation. They shift the savings to other areas, I.e., pension funds, taxes, insurance, etc. But rarely do those cost savings go directly to merchandising. Corporations do what they always do when it comes to lowering the cost of goods - combine savings across the board with renegotiated contracts to buy best quality at lower prices at term. Either that or they do things the old fashioned way - buy the small business OR jump into that particular marketplace themselves, I.e., Walmart's lower prices for produce = they contract w/local farmers OR they buy the farm.
    In a free market with competition, yes, lower wages will result in lower prices.

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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    In a free market with competition, yes, lower wages will result in lower prices.
    First, no such thing as a free market, and second....tell that to the Chinese.
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    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    You can't have it both ways. You can't claim unions force higher wages then place the blame on competition for low wage jobs on social programs footing the bill for said employees basic health and survival needs, I.e., supplemental food cost (welfare/WIC) and health care (Medicai). Either it's unions that are causing the problems you claim exists or it's market demand forcing employers to raise wages to compete for the services of said "unskilled workers".
    Unions are affecting more then just wages. As indicated, they also force inefficient use of that labor. But yes, unions are forcing wages to be at a level that the market does not support and the job is not worth. If they were to reduce welfare type programs, the wages for labor may (or may not) increase a bit, but not nearly as high as the unions have required. Regardless, if wages would increase or not, the people that most support welfare programs are primarily the ones that whine and act surprised that someone is taking advantage of them.

    BTW, I saw a stat on MSNBC that showed only 10% of Walmart's workers are on Medicare. If that's true, it doesn't seem that big a problem anyway.

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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    20 and 30 bucks an hour? For a grocery store? Are you BSing me?
    Nope. The cashier's with the most seniority will make over $20 + benefits and on Sunday, at time and a half, it's $30/hour. I used to work for them I my HS/college days. Had I stayed with them, I'd be in that $20.00 / hour range. Not bad for simply passing items over a scanner.

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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    First, no such thing as a free market, and second....tell that to the Chinese.
    I hear this from (mostly) people on the left all the time. The US is a "free market", not a "completely free market". Free markets can have some government controls.

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