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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Name me some corporations today with "monopolistic control". There are a couple, but I want to see if you pick the right ones or say something insane like "Walmart".
    Walmart May not be the same as say Google, however with that said, they are a monopoly in a trading network.

    "Wal-Mart is known for the incredibly low prices that it gives to its customers. After all, its slogan is “Every Day Low Prices.” It is praised by many consumers for this, but most people do not realize that this powerhouse for cheap goods is actually a monopoly as seen through its actions as a trader between suppliers and consumers." Wall Mart as a Monopoly in a Trading Network | Networks

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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The Colonists rebelled against a large, oppressive government.
    Yeah, homage to the British Crown.

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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Walmart May not be the same as say Google, however with that said, they are a monopoly in a trading network.

    "Wal-Mart is known for the incredibly low prices that it gives to its customers. After all, its slogan is “Every Day Low Prices.” It is praised by many consumers for this, but most people do not realize that this powerhouse for cheap goods is actually a monopoly as seen through its actions as a trader between suppliers and consumers." Wall Mart as a Monopoly in a Trading Network | Networks
    Have a nice day.

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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the solution of the left for large allegedly oppressive corporations is bigger more oppressive government
    Oh, really the only choice we have to an allege abuse from a corporation is bigger more oppressive government??? Sounds like a straw man to me.

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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Have a nice day.
    You have a nice day too.

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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Take this simple example: Your property (say your tool shed) is destroyed by J. Q. Criminal or MegaCorp. If the citizen is convicted then you get nothing but the satisfaction of paying to lock them up for a bit, but you will get full restitution and likely a bit more from the conviction of the corporation.

    Would you rather have the captain of the Exxon Valdez (or even the Exxon CEO) locked up or have the millions (billions?) in clean up costs recovered. To assert that a corporation is not legally liable for its actions ignores reality.
    I would have to see comparative rates of justice for criminal victims and civil victims before making a judgement on this issue. We see all the time corporate "discipline" that isn't even vaguely comparable to a person spending unreplaceable years of their lives for an offense of similar severity.

    At no point has a corporation surrendered years of its existence for killing somebody. To the contrary, they usually receive fines/judgements representing a small fraction of that years profits.

    A months pay, net.

    As with the union/corporation argument, it isn't a one to one relationship per rights/obligations between human beings and corporations.

    One can draw valid, partial comparisons: unions and corporations spend money on political campaigns. But this isn't an apples and apples comparison.

    Unions reflect the desires of all members through a democratic process, while corporations represent the desires of their owners/officers. The latter wields the negative entropy of a much larger group which has no say in these decisions.

    This is one of those places where "absolutes" have crept into our discourse where they don't belong.

    One can say that corporations shouldn't be muzzled while workers are not. This is true.

    We should not be talking as if they are the same thing as part of a "right to assembly" argument in defense of unlimited anonymous campaign spending.

    A useful discussion includes the gray shades.

    Gray shades don't make for good talking points, but talking points are designed to END conversation.
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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    You mean the hypocrisy? Yes I see it quite glaringly. Keep at it. Union membership is cratering in the US.
    Ever ask yourself why it is that unions are an anachronism that are dying a natural death but untold millions are spent trying to destroy them?

    One is tempted to draw comparisons to Civil War era America.
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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Ever ask yourself why it is that unions are an anachronism that are dying a natural death but untold millions are spent trying to destroy them?

    One is tempted to draw comparisons to Civil War era America.
    Workers are being freed from their Union slave masters...yeah I agree with that analogy.

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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Ever ask yourself why it is that unions are an anachronism that are dying a natural death but untold millions are spent trying to destroy them?

    One is tempted to draw comparisons to Civil War era America.
    It's because there are always some uninformed trying to bring them back. Unions are very smooth-talking, deceitful institutions. They're organized snake oil salesmen.

    You can't blame some stupid, gullible people falling for it.

    Unions aren't a real concern to me anyway. Now if this was pre-Taft Hartley, that'd be another story.

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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    It's because there are always some uninformed trying to bring them back. Unions are very smooth-talking, deceitful institutions. They're organized snake oil salesmen.

    You can't blame some stupid, gullible people falling for it.

    Unions aren't a real concern to me anyway. Now if this was pre-Taft Hartley, that'd be another story.
    This has nothing to do with your dislike of unions. The problem with one institution's power being diluted is the competing institution's power becomes more powerful. This imbalance of power is part of the reason workers can be exploited today.

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