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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    I think you're being willfully obtuse with this question.

    You don't think corporations are people, or shouldn't be considered as people. Ok. Got it.

    Non-humans cannot vote. I think we can agree on that.

    We as a society believe in "no taxation without representation".

    Hence, if you are consistent and not a hypocrite, you also advocate that corporations shouldn't pay income taxes since they are not people and cannot vote. Correct?

    (Never mind any side or semi-related issues that you might use to distract from the inconvenience of this question. Stick to this scenario.)
    Should felons who aren't allowed to vote be free from taxation?

    Corporations receive considerable benefits from incorporation. Those benefits shouldn't be free. So taxation is appropriate. Remove the benefits and construct other mechanisms to facilitate business operation and I would consider removing their tax laibility.
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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    I imagine there are union members who would like their sweet deal eliminated so support those who would eliminate unions and send their jobs overseas.

    As well as people who work for corporations that fight to prevent unionization and send their jobs overseas.

    The former CAN organize his brothers to vote to eliminate their union by supporting anti-union candidates.

    The latter can't say **** to the corporation about shipping his job overseas.

    See the difference?
    You mean the hypocrisy? Yes I see it quite glaringly. Keep at it. Union membership is cratering in the US.

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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Fair distinction. I actually did mean deductions.
    Ok, in that case there's a gulf of deductions between a business and an individual.
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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    It doesn't matter what you think is right or not, or how clear your point. I don't think the ruling on Obamacare was right. However, the Constitution makes it right. I think the Citizens United ruling was right. Now what?
    It sounds like an awful lot of angry debate is in our future, like it or not!

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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    It sounds like an awful lot of angry debate is in our future, like it or not!

    Greetings, ocean.
    Good morning Polgara

    I hope you had a nice Thanksgiving.

    I believe you are correct, there will likely be an awful lot of angry debate in our future. Emphasis on angry.

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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    American colonists had a distrust and disdain for the British crown's corporate charter which allowed monopolistic control of markets which hurt local enterprise. They showed their contempt by dumping tea into Boston Harbor. Later a whole revolutionary war broke out and a Constitution was put into place shortly after the war that separated powers. Of course, they didn't foresee corporations seizing power through personhood ironically through the Constitution. Now we sit here with the abuse of state power by corporations legally. Those colonist and founding father's must be rolling in their graves.

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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    American colonists had a distrust and disdain for the British crown's corporate charter which allowed monopolistic control of markets which hurt local enterprise. They showed their contempt by dumping tea into Boston Harbor. Later a whole revolutionary war broke out and a Constitution was put into place shortly after the war that separated powers. Of course, they didn't foresee corporations seizing power through personhood ironically through the Constitution. Now we sit here with the abuse of state power by corporations legally. Those colonist and founding father's must be rolling in their graves.
    Name me some corporations today with "monopolistic control". There are a couple, but I want to see if you pick the right ones or say something insane like "Walmart".

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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    American colonists had a distrust and disdain for the British crown's corporate charter which allowed monopolistic control of markets which hurt local enterprise. They showed their contempt by dumping tea into Boston Harbor. Later a whole revolutionary war broke out and a Constitution was put into place shortly after the war that separated powers. Of course, they didn't foresee corporations seizing power through personhood ironically through the Constitution. Now we sit here with the abuse of state power by corporations legally. Those colonist and founding father's must be rolling in their graves.
    The Colonists rebelled against a large, oppressive government.
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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The Colonists rebelled against a large, oppressive government.
    the solution of the left for large allegedly oppressive corporations is bigger more oppressive government



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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the solution of the left for large allegedly oppressive corporations is bigger more oppressive government
    If government is not there as a force to control large powerful billion dollar corporations, who is going to do it?
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