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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob N View Post
    Not when it comes to my personal religious point of view and he adds it to as his opinion to the business as a whole he doesn't.
    No, your religious demands on him mean nothing here. If he doesn't want your religious beliefs impeding his walls that is his right to not allow it.

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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Well, the United States Supreme Court disagrees with you.
    Yes. But their decision will affect a whole lot of things in the near future, IMO -- especially with this thing with Hobby Lobby
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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    No, your religious demands on him mean nothing here. If he doesn't want your religious beliefs impeding his walls that is his right to not allow it.
    I don't care if he personally disagrees with me. Just speak for himself and do not include me and others as his personal convictions on any given subject. Be one human being -- do not do it collectively.
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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob N View Post
    Yes. But their decision will affect a whole lot of things in the near future, IMO -- especially with this thing with Hobby Lobby
    Do you think Foundations and Trusts should be treated as "people"? How about Associations?

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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob N View Post
    You're missing the point. Corporations do not have the right to speak for me collectively and say that it is a person -- a unit of one. If the owner wants to come out and say what he/she believes than fine -- just don't include the business as a whole because there will be dissent somewhere.
    If you don't own the actual business, or enough stock in it for your voice to matter, and you don't like the position a business takes on a particular policy, then you can always quit.

    I think you're being pretty unreasonable if you expect a business to consult with each and every employee on every decision the leadership of the business makes.

    If a business decides it's going to open a production facility in China that's sort of a "political" decision in so far as it's going to result in either the off-shoring of American jobs or the creation of new jobs, that might otherwise have been created in America, in China.

    That kind of "political" business decision has been undertaken buy businesses, or their duly appointed representatives, for a long, long time; long before Citizens United became an issue.

    And that was certainly not the kind of decision a business would go out and consult every single employee on and leave the direction of the business to majority rule.

    So if a business decides that it's going to financially support a candidate that opposes abortion or a candidate that supports same sex marriage, how is that kind of political decision any more relevant than a decision to send American jobs overseas?
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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Do you think Foundations and Trusts should be treated as "people"? How about Associations?
    As people? Yes. But not as a person.
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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob N View Post
    Be one human being -- do not do it collectively.
    But when it comes to healthcare insurance, entitlements, affirmative action, and etc...

    Then do it collectively?

    Or are we still going to each take personal, individual responsibility for ourselves?
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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob N View Post
    I have no idea as to what you're talking about. I never said that businesses were not subject to income taxes.
    That isn't what I asked you; of course they are.

    If you think corporations are not people and should not be considered people for legal reasons, then why would you not agree they shouldn't be taxed like they were people?

    And you didn't answer my other question -- what "obligations and restrictions" are corporations not subject to?
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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    They are "people" for the purposes of income taxation, but not for purposes of representation or rights. Perhaps you can show us the constitutional basis for that idea.
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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob N View Post
    As people? Yes. But not as a person.
    So you believe Trusts, Foundations, and Associations should not have a 1st Amendment right to support an agenda, or push for a political result?

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