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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Huh??? What exactly does that have to do with unions having to get permission from their members before their money can endorse a candidate??? And, to comment on your second point, corporation are in it to make more money. Why shouldn't people??? Seems like one groups interest is trumping another's quite significantly.
    My reference to Dredd Scott was in concern to the falacy that "Because the Supreme Court make a ruling, it is right". I actually think we are in agreement when it comes to whether Corporations should have the first amendment rights that other people to support a candidate of their choosing.

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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Allow me to quote what you said again:



    How does that show that corporations "usually" pay less than the corporate income tax rates?

    And if you meant that as a share of total income taxes paid, "people" in general pay more, then you expressed it piss-poorly. The way you said it, it either meant that corporations "usually" pay a rate less than "people," or that a typical person pays more in tax than a corporation -- both of which are asinine.
    I gave numbers that people do pay more of an overall federal income tax than corporations. I also stated that corporation don't usually pay the rate they are suppose to due to favorable treatment that people don't enjoy.

    I did not prove my second part, but gladly I will: snip http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/03/bu...y/03rates.html

    But by taking advantage of myriad breaks and loopholes that other countries generally do not offer, United States corporations pay only slightly more on average than their counterparts in other industrial countries. And some American corporations use aggressive strategies to pay less — often far less — than their competitors abroad and at home. A Government Accountability Office study released in 2008 found that 55 percent of United States companies paid no federal income taxes during at least one year in a seven-year period it studied.

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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Nope, I'm absolutely right. If not prove it.
    Piece of cake.

    http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/20...ate-tax-rates/

    Quote Originally Posted by Bartlett, of NYT,
    According to the Internal Revenue Service, corporations had gross profits of $1.8 trillion in 2007 and taxable income of $1.2 trillion.
    His estimate put the effective corporate tax rate at 36.2 percent – above the statutory rate.
    Now for individuals:

    Effective individual tax rates hover around 20%. The IRS will give you figures to look at here. If you want to view, however, you will need Excel or some form of Excel reader. The source information is here:

    SOI Tax Stats - Individual Time Series Statistical Tables

    Or, if you can read .pdf files, you can go here. It goes up to 2005.

    http://www.cbo.gov/.../cbofiles/atta...ve_rates_0.pdf

    Corporations pay a much higher effective tax rate. It's not close.

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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    So . . . "yuh-HUHHH"?
    Perhaps, to you it doesn't matter but it clearly shows a shift in power which is disturbing to many people.

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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Perhaps, to you it doesn't matter but it clearly shows a shift in power which is disturbing to many people.
    What you've "clearly shown" is that you don't have the faintest idea what you're talking about.
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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    What you've "clearly shown" is that you don't have the faintest idea what you're talking about.
    Now now, she read a leftist blog. She's as learned as about 70% of DP.

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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    I gave numbers that people do pay more of an overall federal income tax than corporations.
    Yes, if they're correct, but that isn't the claim you made. Or if you did, you did so poorly.

    I also stated that corporation don't usually pay the rate they are suppose to due to favorable treatment that people don't enjoy.

    I did not prove my second part, but gladly I will: snip http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/03/bu...y/03rates.html

    But by taking advantage of myriad breaks and loopholes that other countries generally do not offer, United States corporations pay only slightly more on average than their counterparts in other industrial countries. And some American corporations use aggressive strategies to pay less — often far less — than their competitors abroad and at home. A Government Accountability Office study released in 2008 found that 55 percent of United States companies paid no federal income taxes during at least one year in a seven-year period it studied.
    It doesn't say they don't pay the rate. It says they don't pay much more in a monetary sense than corporations in other countries.

    And as for that "55 percent" which supposedly paid no federal income taxes . . . did they make a profit? Such a number is meaningless without context.
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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    I was under the impression that Citizens United opened the floodgates to unions as well.

    I want big money - whether it is unions, big business, or individuals out of politicians pockets ASAP - directly or indirectly.
    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Unions aren't people, either. I don't see you bitching about them being goven 1st Amendment rights.
    I do. Loud and clear.

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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    I've said it before and I'll say it again.

    I'll believe a corporation is a person when Texas executes one...

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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    I've said it before and I'll say it again.

    I'll believe a corporation is a person when Texas executes one...
    And I'll believe they are not one when they can no longer be taxed on income...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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