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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Yes, I did.
    You're wrong. This isn't even a debate. You are completely, totally, absolutely wrong.

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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Now to respond to your second comment: snip from Clinton's Signing NAFTA/GATT Cut America's Economic Throat

    Compared to the United States, labor costs in China, Indonesia and similar nations were substantially lower than what U.S. workers earned. NAFTA/GATT allowed our corporations and U.S. entrepreneurs to move their manufacturing technology overseas and take advantage of the reduced costs of doing business, while avoiding our former trade protections that made such a move prior to NAFTA/GATT unprofitable. For those enterprises that made the move overseas right away, there was nothing but exorbitant profits to be made.


    What could be better for a typical American manufacturer? You get to avoid all U.S. payroll taxes, worker's compensation costs and environmental regulations and hurdles. You no longer have to deal with unions and provide employee benefits like health insurance and retirement plans. You get to manufacture in China, Indonesia and similar foreign nations to your heart's content, and you still get to sell your products to the U.S. consumer at the same or nearly the same cost as before.


    Those who benefited are the stockholders of these firms and their top CEOs and CFOs. If you had money to invest before NAFTA/GATT, your returns on the investments spiked. But if you are just the typical middle-class American family with an average $9,000.00 per month credit card balance and little or no savings except what's in your 401k, you didn't have the chance to participate in that gold rush. You were blind-sided and left behind, and the immediate effect of NAFTA/GATT was for around five million people who had high-paying, family wage paying manufacturing jobs to lose them to low-wage workers overseas.
    Yeah, you should probably read articles written by people who have some idea what they're talking about. Here's a big hint:

    Until 1993, the United States of America was the world's economic king,
    That the author is an idiot.
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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

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    Well, the United States Supreme Court disagrees with you.
    And when does that make them right?
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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    On the contrary of WHAT? None of this has anything to do with what I said, nor your claims that corporations "often pay less" than the corporate income tax rate and "often pay less than people" -- to say nothing of your absurd claims that corporations can just roam freely about the world and set up shop wherever they want.
    Allow me to highlight this again:

    "Joshua Holland: When we got into World War II, individuals and families paid 38 percent of federal income taxes and corporations picked up the other 62 percent. Last year, individuals and families paid 82 percent of federal income taxes and corporations paid just 18 percent. How did this happen?

    This proves my point.

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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    You're wrong. This isn't even a debate. You are completely, totally, absolutely wrong.

    Have a nice day.
    Nope, I'm absolutely right. If not prove it.

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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Yeah, you should probably read articles written by people who have some idea what they're talking about. Here's a big hint:



    That the author is an idiot.
    Nope, true fact that our trade laws have allowed this easy movement of corporations.

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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    And when does that make them right?
    *Cough* Dred Scott *Cough*

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    False. Unions must get the permission of its members before they use money toward a candidate which is not at all true with corporations. They don't need the permission from shareholders to endorse candidates. The money flows easily with no strings attached.
    Yes but how do unions get said permission is the issue here? Often they are done in votes where everyone knows how the other person voted, thus not a conducive environment for debate and disagreement with the union bosses. Also, corporations are in the business of making money. Hence why, unlike with the unions, I have no problem with them exercising their right to support whatever candidate they think is best.

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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Allow me to highlight this again:

    "Joshua Holland: When we got into World War II, individuals and families paid 38 percent of federal income taxes and corporations picked up the other 62 percent. Last year, individuals and families paid 82 percent of federal income taxes and corporations paid just 18 percent. How did this happen?

    This proves my point.
    Allow me to quote what you said again:

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Yeah, but they often pay less than that rate. At any costs, they usually pay less than people.
    How does that show that corporations "usually" pay less than the corporate income tax rates?

    And if you meant that as a share of total income taxes paid, "people" in general pay more, then you expressed it piss-poorly. The way you said it, it either meant that corporations "usually" pay a rate less than "people," or that a typical person pays more in tax than a corporation -- both of which are asinine.
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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    *Cough* Dred Scott *Cough*



    Yes but how do unions get said permission is the issue here? Often they are done in votes where everyone knows how the other person voted, thus not a conducive environment for debate and disagreement with the union bosses.
    Huh??? What exactly does that have to do with unions having to get permission from their members before their money can endorse a candidate??? And, to comment on your second point, corporation are in it to make more money. Why shouldn't people??? Seems like one groups interest is trumping another's quite significantly.

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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Nope, true fact that our trade laws have allowed this easy movement of corporations.
    So . . . "yuh-HUHHH"?
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