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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Which "obligations and restrictions" are corporations not subject to?

    Do you also argue that because corporations aren't people, they shouldn't be subject to an income tax, like people? (Whoops -- is that a "can of worms" you don't want to open?)

    (And again, all of this stems from people actually having no idea whatsoever what the rulings in Citizens United actually were.)
    Corporation unlike people are often not subject to those taxes and often pay less due to favorable laws. They can freely move abroad in the search for cheap labor. People cannot freely pass borders legally.
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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Corporation unlike people are often not subject to those taxes due to favorable laws.
    They are in the United States, which actually has the highest corporate income tax rate.

    They can freely move abroad in the search for cheap labor. People cannot freely pass borders legally.
    Corporations cannot simply wander in willy-nilly to any country they like and set up shop. So, no, they can't "freely move abroad." (And how do you figure they'd do so without the, um, people who actually run them?)
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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    They are in the United States, which actually has the highest corporate income tax rate.



    Corporations cannot simply wander in willy-nilly to any country they like and set up shop. So, no, they can't "freely move abroad." (And how do you figure they'd do so without the, um, people who actually run them?)
    Yeah, but they often pay less than that rate. At any costs, they usually pay less than people. And, they can freely move about seeking cheap labor.

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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob N View Post
    Not when it comes to my personal religious point of view and he adds it to as his opinion to the business as a whole he doesn't.
    Unless you are an owner of the corporation, get over it.

    If you don't like it, leave.

    Corporations, BTW, are legal entities, not people. Corporate owners are people, and can speak as they want.
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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Yeah, but they often pay less than that rate.
    Give me an example of a corporation paying less than the corporate income tax rate.


    At any costs, they usually pay less than people.
    Going through life just making things up is not advisable.


    And, they can freely move about seeking cheap labor.
    You already said that. No, they cannot.
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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Give me an example of a corporation paying less than the corporate income tax rate.




    Going through life just making things up is not advisable.




    You already said that. No, they cannot.
    Oh, on the contrary:

    "Joshua Holland: When we got into World War II, individuals and families paid 38 percent of federal income taxes and corporations picked up the other 62 percent. Last year, individuals and families paid 82 percent of federal income taxes and corporations paid just 18 percent. How did this happen?

    David Cay Johnston: All modern societies require a large public sector to provide the goods and services on which the private sector depends. So you need commonwealth services – education, basic research, statistical gathering and civil law enforcement – a whole host of activity than can only be provided through the public sector.

    Now, corporations have a concentrated interest in the taxes they pay and the capacity to lobby for changes and make campaign donations to rent, or in some cases buy politicians’ votes. Over a long period of time, they saw to it that we change these tax laws and shifted this burden." The US Has Low Taxes -- So Why Do People Feel Ripped Off? | Connecting the Dots, What Matters Today | BillMoyers.com

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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Corporation unlike people are often not subject to those taxes and often pay less due to favorable laws. They can freely move abroad in the search for cheap labor. People cannot freely pass borders legally.
    I'm sorry...did you just say corporations pay less than people?

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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Now to respond to your second comment: snip from Clinton's Signing NAFTA/GATT Cut America's Economic Throat

    Compared to the United States, labor costs in China, Indonesia and similar nations were substantially lower than what U.S. workers earned. NAFTA/GATT allowed our corporations and U.S. entrepreneurs to move their manufacturing technology overseas and take advantage of the reduced costs of doing business, while avoiding our former trade protections that made such a move prior to NAFTA/GATT unprofitable. For those enterprises that made the move overseas right away, there was nothing but exorbitant profits to be made.


    What could be better for a typical American manufacturer? You get to avoid all U.S. payroll taxes, worker's compensation costs and environmental regulations and hurdles. You no longer have to deal with unions and provide employee benefits like health insurance and retirement plans. You get to manufacture in China, Indonesia and similar foreign nations to your heart's content, and you still get to sell your products to the U.S. consumer at the same or nearly the same cost as before.


    Those who benefited are the stockholders of these firms and their top CEOs and CFOs. If you had money to invest before NAFTA/GATT, your returns on the investments spiked. But if you are just the typical middle-class American family with an average $9,000.00 per month credit card balance and little or no savings except what's in your 401k, you didn't have the chance to participate in that gold rush. You were blind-sided and left behind, and the immediate effect of NAFTA/GATT was for around five million people who had high-paying, family wage paying manufacturing jobs to lose them to low-wage workers overseas.

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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    I'm sorry...did you just say corporations pay less than people?
    Yes, I did.

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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Oh, on the contrary:

    "Joshua Holland: When we got into World War II, individuals and families paid 38 percent of federal income taxes and corporations picked up the other 62 percent. Last year, individuals and families paid 82 percent of federal income taxes and corporations paid just 18 percent. How did this happen?

    David Cay Johnston: All modern societies require a large public sector to provide the goods and services on which the private sector depends. So you need commonwealth services – education, basic research, statistical gathering and civil law enforcement – a whole host of activity than can only be provided through the public sector.

    Now, corporations have a concentrated interest in the taxes they pay and the capacity to lobby for changes and make campaign donations to rent, or in some cases buy politicians’ votes. Over a long period of time, they saw to it that we change these tax laws and shifted this burden." The US Has Low Taxes -- So Why Do People Feel Ripped Off? | Connecting the Dots, What Matters Today | BillMoyers.com
    On the contrary of WHAT? None of this has anything to do with what I said, nor your claims that corporations "often pay less" than the corporate income tax rate and "often pay less than people" -- to say nothing of your absurd claims that corporations can just roam freely about the world and set up shop wherever they want.
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