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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    If they're a person, then I support them being taxed as a person.

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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    No, it isn't. It's a dumb joke which doesn't stand up the slightest bit of actual scrutiny. danarhea, I think, actually understands that. You don't seem to.
    I'm saying that it's a great analogy; I'm not speaking for danarhea. Again, words being placed in to other people's mouths without even inquiring to see if it's true.
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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob N View Post
    I'm saying that it's a great analogy; I'm not speaking for danarhea. Again, words being placed in to other people's mouths without even inquiring to see if it's true.


    I didn't say you were speaking for him. Yes, you said it was a great analogy -- and it's not. It's a dumb joke.

    I also said that danarhea probably gets that. You, however, don't.
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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post


    I didn't say you were speaking for him. Yes, you said it was a great analogy -- and it's not. It's a dumb joke.

    I also said that danarhea probably gets that. You, however, don't.
    OK. I'm glad that's cleared up.
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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I find it bizarre how liberals believe the first amendment excludes business. How does that work exactly?
    The problem isn't that corporations have free speech really. Businesses are entitled to freedom of speech as an extension of their human members.

    The problem is that corporations represent an unlibertarian infringement on the rights of individuals to redress torts against the human members of a corporation. Limited liability is the real menace here.

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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I suppose, but in that case it's still telling the shareholders how to run their business and their property or restricting their right to speak as a group. I don't think it changes anything really.
    The share holders aren't consulted for decisions like that. Some board makes those decisions. They weren't exercising their speech, the board was doing that. So it still isn't analogous to the individual. Both shareholder and board can each spend their personal money how they see fit.
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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    As, and only when, ordered by the judicial system of Texas.
    He still gives the order. Or would you believe that John Gotti was innocent because others clipped his enemies?
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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob N View Post
    I found this opinion piece by Harold Meyerson to be spot on concerning corporations being brought in to the world of personhood.

    Is it alright for corporations to speak for their employees on all matters as a collective? I don't think so.

    Also consider this: Where does this corporations-are-people business start and stop? Note the excerpt from Meyerson's piece:

    Harold Meyerson makes one think about personhood, don't you think? What about wars? People are drafted and go to wars, why not include corporations? Corporations get to itemize a lot of things on their taxes more than the average Joe or Jane. Why do they get to be a special person with extraordinary fiscal relationships with the state?

    Yes, I think Scalia is looking to see how he is going to open this can of worms -- real carefully.
    Start your own business, get behind on your taxes and see if a business isn't a person. The IRS won't hesitate to empty out Bob N's personal account to pay Bob N LLC's taxes.

    If Meyerson thinks that the owner of the corporation's debts, he's smoking crack.
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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I will agree that corporations are people just as soon as Rick Perry executes one of them.
    The honchos at Enron went to priso, purdy much making Enron a person.
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    Re: Corporations Aren't People

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob N View Post
    You're missing the point. UNIONS do not have the right to speak for me collectively and say that it is a person -- a unit of one. If the UNION BOSS wants to come out and say what he/she believes than fine -- just don't include the UNION as a whole because there will be dissent somewhere.
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