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    Re: Iran: White House Lying About Details of Nuke Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    No...not 'Him'...but I understand the confusion...

    The link has been provided to you on at least 2 occasions now.
    If you took just a minute to find a more reputable source we could have avoided over two pages of this nonsense.

    Kerry on Iran: ‘We do not recognize a right to enrich’

    Yes, this is a significant break from the White House release. It would appear that the White House did get overly excited about its release of the deal.

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    Re: Iran: White House Lying About Details of Nuke Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Ain't that the truth?
    No, it aint.

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    Re: Iran: White House Lying About Details of Nuke Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    If you took just a minute to find a more reputable source we could have avoided over two pages of this nonsense.

    Kerry on Iran: ‘We do not recognize a right to enrich’

    Yes, this is a significant break from the White House release. It would appear that the White House did get overly excited about its release of the deal.
    I see. I provided 3 sources, you provided none, finally the one you did provide after the fact concurred with the three I provided...and somehow the confusion was 'my fault'.

    Or you could have just said...."huh...OK yeah...my bad...I was wrong. Sorry."

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    Re: Iran: White House Lying About Details of Nuke Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I see. I provided 3 sources, you provided none, finally the one you did provide after the fact concurred with the three I provided...and somehow the confusion was 'my fault'.

    Or you could have just said...."huh...OK yeah...my bad...I was wrong. Sorry."
    Yes, it's your fault for providing crap sources. If I link to The National Enquirer and there is something of validity to the story then I'm not going to blame anyone for dismissing it. If you find something in a crap website, it's your duty to track it down to a more reputable source. That practice eliminates well over half the stories that ultimately turn out to be uncorroborated.

    As for what I'm "wrong" about, all I've done in this thread is show that the claims in this thread are made up of 90% noise and no real understanding of the facts. And when something factual was finally uncovered I accepted it instantaneously.

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    Re: Iran: White House Lying About Details of Nuke Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Start with the enrichment of uranium. The part where the US talking point said no enrichment, the Iranian statement was that there would be no impeding enrichment and it would in fact increase, and finish off with the White House rep stating...well...a bit...a bit...
    Go to the al fars link you posted and go to the bullet points. That is the Iranian gov release. I can't see the contradiction.

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    Re: Iran: White House Lying About Details of Nuke Deal

    Obama released 7 billion dollars, lifted sanctions and left American citizens in Iranian prisons, all for nothing.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Iran: White House Lying About Details of Nuke Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Yes, it's your fault for providing crap sources. If I link to The National Enquirer and there is something of validity to the story then I'm not going to blame anyone for dismissing it. If you find something in a crap website, it's your duty to track it down to a more reputable source. That practice eliminates well over half the stories that ultimately turn out to be uncorroborated.

    As for what I'm "wrong" about, all I've done in this thread is show that the claims in this thread are made up of 90% noise and no real understanding of the facts. And when something factual was finally uncovered I accepted it instantaneously.
    Oddly enough, all those sources you describe as crap sources reported the 'facts' that you finally acknowledge. Not a whole lot of mainstream media sources are...hell you had to go looking for your own independent confirmation. What that just might indicate is that while one of those sites certainly has a right bias, the other didnt and they ALL offered a factual representation that isnt being covered by the mainstream. It also very clearly demonstrated how desperate people are to cling to ANYTHING to support their bias.

    You were 'wrong' about everything. But to your credit...at least you have the stones to admit it.

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    Re: Iran: White House Lying About Details of Nuke Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Obama released 7 billion dollars, lifted sanctions and left American citizens in Iranian prisons, all for nothing.
    Well...not 'nothing'. I mean...there IS still a pretense of a reduction in enrichment and a promise to talk again in six months...so...

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    Re: Iran: White House Lying About Details of Nuke Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Obama released 7 billion dollars, lifted sanctions and left American citizens in Iranian prisons, all for nothing.
    Are you kidding me? Obama gets plenty of Koolaid toasts for coming up with a brilliant diplomatic solution, gets another reason to bash the "hawks" in the GOP and gets more campaign cash from the left.
    “The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists to adapt the world to himself.
    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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    Re: Iran: White House Lying About Details of Nuke Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    There are more than a few concerned nations that arent exactly sold on the 'deal'. And its rather comical that you insist that the Iranians cant be trusted in what they say and yet you celebrate an agreement based on what they say.

    How many years now have they been playing this cat and mouse game while even the current administration is convinced they are deceptive in their intent at the development of nuclear weapons?

    Oh...and as to who is being truthful...
    "On Tuesday Abbas Araqchi, Iran's top nuclear negotiator told Trend magazine in Azerbaijan that 'Iran's uranium enrichment right cannot be granted or limited by another countries.'

    And Ali Akbar Salehi, the head of Iran’s Atomic Energy Organization, insisted on Monday that the Geneva accord won't affect operations at his nation’s major nuclear sites.

    'Work at the Arak reactor will continue,' Salehi said. '[Uranium] enrichment to 5 percent will continue. Research and development will continue. All our exploration and extraction activities will continue. There are no activities that won’t continue."

    He announced on Tuesday that Iran's enrichment program will actually increase, and added that construction of the heavy-water reactor at Arak – which the U.S. believes is one component of a plutonium production facility – will continue as before."

    Followed by...

    "Asked to react to Iran's claim that the White House changed key elements of the agreement for public consumption, she said 'I don’t have any particular response to these reports.'

    But she acknowledged that 'domestic enrichment' would likely be part of 'a limited, tightly constrained and intensively monitored civilian nuclear program' that the West would negotiate with Iran over the next six months."
    Again I believe those statements made by the Atomic Energy Organization are propaganda aimed at domestic bolstering the notion that Iran has not lost anything in the agreement. If they are true then there is no agreement at all. You seem to think the negotiators are all liars and it is the Iran State propaganda minister that is the only truthful person on the planet.
    Iran will not get anything until they live up to the terms of the agreement posted by the Whitehouse. Maybe they really won't but then there will be no lifting of the sanctions.
    The Whitehouse never claimed that agreement would stop all enrichment only that no new centrifuges would be installed and their stockpile of 20% uranium would be diluted to lower levels.
    Last edited by iguanaman; 11-27-13 at 02:51 PM.

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