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    Re: Iran: White House Lying About Details of Nuke Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    .....unpack what you mean by that?
    Oh, that's very clever.
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    Re: Iran: White House Lying About Details of Nuke Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Not so.


    Iranians react to nuclear deal - Features - Al Jazeera English

    I had to change my i.p. address to get that article. Ridiculous.
    Why did you have to change your ip address?

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    Re: Iran: White House Lying About Details of Nuke Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Well, that lasted about slightly less 72 hours.
    Shocking that you would believe the Iranians over the President. It's like you are a hack who has it out for the POTUS or something.
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    Re: Iran: White House Lying About Details of Nuke Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    Not sure it is dumb. Some might think by these actions that the administration is actively working to have a Jewish homeland a thing of the past.
    Yeah, and some might also think the administration is trying to breed unicorns and bring Joan of Arc back to life.
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    Re: Iran: White House Lying About Details of Nuke Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I believe the Iranians more than our President, who is a big fat liar. And Kerry is a nincompoop.
    If that's true ... if you honestly believe a regime that has been a proven state sponsor of terrorism, over Obama, then you are touched in the head.

    It never ceases to amaze me how badly conservatives hate Obama, even to endorse the governments of rogue states over him. You are all deranged. I don't even LIKE Obama, but you people are insane.
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    Re: Iran: White House Lying About Details of Nuke Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Jredbaron96 View Post
    I don't recall limiting it to this thread.
    You were pretty implicitly suggesting it was true of the OP. Feel free to demonstrate it, or accept that you used an ad sourcinem in place of an actual argument.

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    Re: Iran: White House Lying About Details of Nuke Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Jredbaron96 View Post
    Oh, that's very clever.
    Well, it was also serious.

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    Re: Iran: White House Lying About Details of Nuke Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    You were pretty implicitly suggesting it was true of the OP. Feel free to demonstrate it, or accept that you used an ad sourcinem in place of an actual argument.
    Ad "Sourcinem" is not a fallacy when you are attempting to establish credible facts. The source isn't really making an argument, as much as asserting facts. Ad "Sourcinem" is a fallacy when the person disregards an argument because of its source.

    If I find a source that says the Iranians have said they will abide by the agreement, will you just believe it, or will you assess the credibility of the source? HINT: Choose the latter, or you are a dumbass.
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    Re: Iran: White House Lying About Details of Nuke Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    Ad "Sourcinem" is not a fallacy when you are attempting to establish credible facts. The source isn't really making an argument, as much as asserting facts. Ad "Sourcinem" is a fallacy when the person disregards an argument because of its source.
    Ad Sourcinem is a fallacy when you refuse to detail why the presentation of facts are incorrect.

    For example, if my response to this had been "oh well Dezaad is an idiot", that would be me choosing to attack the presenter of information rather than the information itself - it would have been a fallacy.

    Had anyone bothered to check the facts of the case, they would have seen that the facts as reported were indeed very real. But they didn't do that. They chose to scoff at the source in order to avoid having to deal with the facts. That is indeed a fallacy.

    If I find a source that says the Iranians have said they will abide by the agreement, will you just believe it, or will you assess the credibility of the source? HINT: Choose the latter, or you are a dumbass.
    I would look at it and see where it fit with what was available.

    HINT: Source Validation requires multi-source confirmation / discrediting

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    Re: Iran: White House Lying About Details of Nuke Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Why did you have to change your ip address?
    If you live in the United States and try to go to aljazeera.com then you'll be rerouted to america.aljazeera.com, the edition of the newspaper without that article.

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