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    Re: Iran: White House Lying About Details of Nuke Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Yes, it's your fault for providing crap sources. If I link to The National Enquirer and there is something of validity to the story then I'm not going to blame anyone for dismissing it. If you find something in a crap website, it's your duty to track it down to a more reputable source. That practice eliminates well over half the stories that ultimately turn out to be uncorroborated.

    As for what I'm "wrong" about, all I've done in this thread is show that the claims in this thread are made up of 90% noise and no real understanding of the facts. And when something factual was finally uncovered I accepted it instantaneously.
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    Re: Iran: White House Lying About Details of Nuke Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Oddly enough, all those sources you describe as crap sources reported the 'facts' that you finally acknowledge. Not a whole lot of mainstream media sources are...hell you had to go looking for your own independent confirmation. What that just might indicate is that while one of those sites certainly has a right bias, the other didnt and they ALL offered a factual representation that isnt being covered by the mainstream. It also very clearly demonstrated how desperate people are to cling to ANYTHING to support their bias.

    You were 'wrong' about everything. But to your credit...at least you have the stones to admit it.
    Crap sources often do have facts in them, but there also frequently tend to be omissions as well as exaggerations. Which is why you should make a habit of following the story to its non-crap source. Get a few beers in me and I could talk for an hour about astrophysics, and some of what I spout might even be factual. Fact of the matter is you'd have to be a fool to cite my rant as a valid, respectable source.

    So I'm "wrong" because I wanted actual facts and not the noise and blustering 90% of this thread was offering up. Interesting definition of "wrong" you have there.

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    Re: Iran: White House Lying About Details of Nuke Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben K. View Post
    Go to the al fars link you posted and go to the bullet points. That is the Iranian gov release. I can't see the contradiction.
    There are now three different stories from three different sides.

    John Kerry: "There is no inherent right to enrich," Kerry said on ABC's "This Week." "And everywhere in this particular agreement it states that they could only do that by mutual agreement, and nothing is agreed on until everything is agreed on."

    Kerry on Iran: ‘We do not recognize a right to enrich’

    The White House release: Dilute below 5% or convert to a form not suitable for further enrichment its entire stockpile of near-20% enriched uranium before the end of the initial phase.

    Fact Sheet: First Step Understandings Regarding the Islamic Republic of Iran

    Iran release: From the existing uranium enriched to 20%, retain half as working stock of 20% oxide for fabrication of fuel for the TRR. Dilute the remaining 20% UF6 to no more than 5%. No reconversion line.

    Text: Interim nuclear agreement between Iran and six powers | Reuters

    I'm personally deeming this story dead until the treaty has been signed.

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    Re: Iran: White House Lying About Details of Nuke Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Crap sources often do have facts in them, but there also frequently tend to be omissions as well as exaggerations. Which is why you should make a habit of following the story to its non-crap source. Get a few beers in me and I could talk for an hour about astrophysics, and some of what I spout might even be factual. Fact of the matter is you'd have to be a fool to cite my rant as a valid, respectable source.

    So I'm "wrong" because I wanted actual facts and not the noise and blustering 90% of this thread was offering up. Interesting definition of "wrong" you have there.
    Funny...turned out you had the actual facts all along.

    I get that sometimes crap sources are just that. Having been through a doctoral program and working with University researchers I tend to take a lot of 'sources' with a grain of salt. People look for and find what they want to find. I just think its funny how quickly people would say things like "Iran cant be trusted" when A-your agreement depends on 'trust' and sure enough, the Iranian history is not very trustworthy but also B-Its not like the current administration has a history of being honest and forthright about ANYTHING for the last 5 years.

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    Re: Iran: White House Lying About Details of Nuke Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Well, the point is that it really doesn't matter who is lying - the fact remains that the Iranians are going to "interpret" any deal that is struck as allowing them to continue to do exactly what they are doing, and the administration is going to "interpret" any deal that is struck to allow them to try to sell themselves as a success story to the American people. Who is actually correct here is sort of immaterial.
    Unless, of course, you are an autocratic regime interested in the ultimate guarantee that you will not get a hole in your head .
    So what would you have done instead? Do you disagree with my theory that a financially stable Iran is unlikely to be problematic? Would we be better off not having negotiated at all and would that have modified any ambitions they had/have?

    Autocratic or not, there are other autocratic countries that already have nukes. Not a joyous thing but it has already happened.

    I see no value in them assembling one nuclear weapon. All that does is put them back on the **** list again. So, spending all that money, losing their trade possibilities doesn't seem like good investment. They may be crazy but are they stupid as well?

    What exactly can you do with a nuke? Other than Japan, what situations have nukes ever won or lost a war? And we have thousands of sophisticated ones vs. Iran's homemade single shot one (which I guess NK has similar).

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    This has nada to do with liberalism. This is foreign policy. If I were President, I'd have approached Iran years ago. They owe us an apology but we owe them one also. It';s worth a try and we have very little to lose and more to gain if we can normalize Iran.

    Just my free-floating opinion...

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    Re: Iran: White House Lying About Details of Nuke Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    You sound like Penn or Moore. Get a hold of yourself.
    Obama has ****ed up everything he's done of there.
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    Re: Iran: White House Lying About Details of Nuke Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Obama won the election. Get over it.
    No one care about that now, but you. You can revel in HIS mediocrity.
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    Re: Iran: White House Lying About Details of Nuke Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    Got it, so everyone should use Left Wing sites to get straight answers of how Obama is telling us the truth.
    No, in fact if you use left wing sources you're going to be subjected to my same criticism.
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    Re: Iran: White House Lying About Details of Nuke Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    IOW, you're going to bitch about ANY source that's presented...
    Are you really going to cop out this soon? You've given my one source we both know is trash and still just links back to the main source.

    Fact is you're just going to keep posting right wing sites and then complain when I call them out for being right wing sites.
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    Re: Iran: White House Lying About Details of Nuke Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Jredbaron96 View Post
    Are you really going to cop out this soon? You've given my one source we both know is trash and still just links back to the main source.

    Fact is you're just going to keep posting right wing sites and then complain when I call them out for being right wing sites.
    No, you're going to reject any source that further embarresses Dear Leader...

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