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    Re: No Animals Were Harmed

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    We have lots of people that have run around for years bitching about the beef industry and every other meat industry....
    It looks like the AHA has not been doing its job, and as a result animals are getting injured or killed on movie sets. Assuming the report is true, this is unquestionably a situation that needs to be fixed.

    However, comparing that to the meat industry makes no sense. The number of animals that are treated cruelly, and in ways detrimental to the health of the humans who consume them, is orders of magnitude larger than all harm done on movie sets.


    to have overlooked this for YEARS is the height of hypocrisy.
    On the part of the AHA, and the big money telling them to look the other way? Yes.

    However, the appropriate reaction ought to be "let's fix this situation." Using it to downplay or excuse other instances of animal cruelty doesn't make sense.

    I might add that while I strongly disagree with PETA's tactics, they have been calling out movie-related abuses over the years. And some of the limitations of the AHA have been known for years.

    It's also worth noting that some of this abuse might have been avoided, if the AHA were a government agency instead of a non-profit. It is, of course, possible that a government regulator would still be weakened by regulatory capture (which seems to have happened with the AHA), and a US regulatory agency won't have jurisdiction on overseas productions (and neither does the AHA, it seems). But such an agency would probably be better funded, have more teeth, would be more transparent, and would be accountable to elected officials. In contrast, the AHA only has to answer to its donors, and its industry-related revenue streams.

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    Re: No Animals Were Harmed

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    We hear this refrain a lot from the good intentions crowd, but what of it? Apparently it's not true, and many animals have been killed in the making of movies.
    Compared to those tortured and killed for food?

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    Re: No Animals Were Harmed

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Award for stupidest most pointless, "trying desperately to score political points" thread of the week goes to this one. And it's only Monday.
    ooo ooo ... was it mine was it mine !!!!!!

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    Re: No Animals Were Harmed

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    Animals Were Harmed: Hollywood's Nightmare of Death, Injury, and Secrecy Exposed | Hollywood Reporter Exclusive


    We hear this refrain a lot from the good intentions crowd, but what of it? Apparently it's not true, and many animals have been killed in the making of movies.
    We kill and let die so many kids, women and men on our quest for happiness that a few fish and tigers seem a small price for a good film and a sushi dinner.

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    Re: No Animals Were Harmed

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    Compared to those tortured and killed for food?
    They get the bonus of political mileage out of that.
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    Re: No Animals Were Harmed

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    It looks like the AHA has not been doing its job, and as a result animals are getting injured or killed on movie sets. Assuming the report is true, this is unquestionably a situation that needs to be fixed.

    However, comparing that to the meat industry makes no sense. The number of animals that are treated cruelly, and in ways detrimental to the health of the humans who consume them, is orders of magnitude larger than all harm done on movie sets.



    On the part of the AHA, and the big money telling them to look the other way? Yes.

    However, the appropriate reaction ought to be "let's fix this situation." Using it to downplay or excuse other instances of animal cruelty doesn't make sense.

    I might add that while I strongly disagree with PETA's tactics, they have been calling out movie-related abuses over the years. And some of the limitations of the AHA have been known for years.

    It's also worth noting that some of this abuse might have been avoided, if the AHA were a government agency instead of a non-profit. It is, of course, possible that a government regulator would still be weakened by regulatory capture (which seems to have happened with the AHA), and a US regulatory agency won't have jurisdiction on overseas productions (and neither does the AHA, it seems). But such an agency would probably be better funded, have more teeth, would be more transparent, and would be accountable to elected officials. In contrast, the AHA only has to answer to its donors, and its industry-related revenue streams.
    The put statements on the end of movies to assure people that animals weren't hurt or killed. The meat industry doesn't make such claims.
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    Re: No Animals Were Harmed

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    They get the bonus of political mileage out of that.

    I don't see how someone who eats animals (pigs are smarter than dogs), even given their tortured conditions prior to slaughter, has any complaint to make regarding Hollywood (except the "secrecy" part). I just cannot take the concern as genuine. As someone who actually gives a ****, I'd rather have nothing to do with the factory animal industry; comparatively, who cares what Hollywood does, it's dozens to millions.

    So what is your point?

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    Re: No Animals Were Harmed

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I don't see how someone who eats animals (pigs are smarter than dogs), even given their tortured conditions prior to slaughter, has any complaint to make regarding Hollywood (except the "secrecy" part). I just cannot take the concern as genuine. As someone who actually gives a ****, I'd rather have nothing to do with the factory animal industry; comparatively, who cares what Hollywood does, it's dozens to millions.

    So what is your point?
    Claims are made and they are lying about them. In your world it's okay to kick your dog while cooking a steak, because it's the same thing.
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    Re: No Animals Were Harmed

    I like small kitty cats, but tigers are very dangerous and I see no reason why they should be protected rather than hunted to extinction.

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    Re: No Animals Were Harmed

    Quote Originally Posted by muhammed View Post
    i like small kitty cats, but tigers are very dangerous and i see no reason why they should be protected rather than hunted to extinction.

    what?????????????

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