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    San Rafael Smoking Ban, Strictest In The Nation, Goes Into Effect

    So this is interesting.

    "Last week, the San Francisco suburb made active a smoking ban that officials say is the strictest in the country, prohibiting smoking cigarettes in your own home.

    The ordinance specifically bans smoking in dwellings that share a wall with another unit, including apartments, duplexes and condominiums. The hope is to eliminate second-hand smoke from creeping through doors and windows, ventilation systems, floorboards and other susceptible openings. According to a U.S. Surgeon General report, secondhand smoke kills about 50,000 Americans per year, including 430 infants.

    The San Rafael City Council unanimously approved the ban last year."


    This seems pretty extreme to me but at the same time I can understand the rationale. It seems to me that while someone has every right to smoke if they chose and expose THEMSELVES to the health risks associated with it they do not have the right to make that choice for me.

    I do wonder thought if they could have accomplished protections from second hand smoke in a less invasive way.

    What are you thoughts?
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    Re: San Rafael Smoking Ban, Strictest In The Nation, Goes Into Effect

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    So this is interesting.

    "Last week, the San Francisco suburb made active a smoking ban that officials say is the strictest in the country, prohibiting smoking cigarettes in your own home.

    The ordinance specifically bans smoking in dwellings that share a wall with another unit, including apartments, duplexes and condominiums. The hope is to eliminate second-hand smoke from creeping through doors and windows, ventilation systems, floorboards and other susceptible openings. According to a U.S. Surgeon General report, secondhand smoke kills about 50,000 Americans per year, including 430 infants.

    The San Rafael City Council unanimously approved the ban last year."


    This seems pretty extreme to me but at the same time I can understand the rationale. It seems to me that while someone has every right to smoke if they chose and expose THEMSELVES to the health risks associated with it they do not have the right to make that choice for me.

    I do wonder thought if they could have accomplished protections from second hand smoke in a less invasive way.

    What are you thoughts.
    Every home will need regular searching to be sure the law is being followed. Maybe they can force everyone to install smoke alarms like they have on airplane toilets.

    A true boon for law enforcement.

    I wonder if they will grandfather the properties that are privately owned? I live in a townhouse and share walls (but not ducting) with the units immediately adjacent. Would I have to move or quit smoking in my own home? Seems a bit draconian but within another decade, I expect full scale nannyism will be the norm in America.

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    Re: San Rafael Smoking Ban, Strictest In The Nation, Goes Into Effect

    That's an interesting approach. As a non-smoker, I would hate it if I smelled smoke from a neighbor's apartment. On the other hand, while I could see this being enforceable if a unit is rented (the lease could specify no smoking) I'm not sure it would hold up in the case where someone owned their condo or duplex portion.

    I also don't know how big a problem it is - how much the smoke goes to other units.

    Interesting.

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    Re: San Rafael Smoking Ban, Strictest In The Nation, Goes Into Effect

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    So this is interesting.

    "Last week, the San Francisco suburb made active a smoking ban that officials say is the strictest in the country, prohibiting smoking cigarettes in your own home.

    The ordinance specifically bans smoking in dwellings that share a wall with another unit, including apartments, duplexes and condominiums. The hope is to eliminate second-hand smoke from creeping through doors and windows, ventilation systems, floorboards and other susceptible openings. According to a U.S. Surgeon General report, secondhand smoke kills about 50,000 Americans per year, including 430 infants.

    The San Rafael City Council unanimously approved the ban last year."


    This seems pretty extreme to me but at the same time I can understand the rationale. It seems to me that while someone has every right to smoke if they chose and expose THEMSELVES to the health risks associated with it they do not have the right to make that choice for me.

    I do wonder thought if they could have accomplished protections from second hand smoke in a less invasive way.

    What are you thoughts?
    I'd be curious to know the science of how much second-hand smoking seeping in from the apartment next door actually happens. Incidentally, I work in San Rafael and occasionally smoke.
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    Re: San Rafael Smoking Ban, Strictest In The Nation, Goes Into Effect

    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post
    I'd be curious to know the science of how much second-hand smoking seeping in from the apartment next door actually happens. Incidentally, I work in San Rafael and occasionally smoke.
    I don't smoke and I hate hate hate the smell of cigarettes but I feel like this is a little over the top. Like I said, it seems as if they could have taken other steps to accommodate the stated outcome (non-smokers being protected from the dangers of 2nd hand smoke) This approach almost makes it seem as if they have a larger agenda.
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    Re: San Rafael Smoking Ban, Strictest In The Nation, Goes Into Effect

    opendebate, don't know if it's a larger agenda or if they are just going further than they should on anti-smoking laws.

    But as aberrant points out - we need to know what science is behind this to know if it makes sense or not.

    It seems over the top; but maybe they have a lot of leaky-air-buildings in San Rafael

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    Re: San Rafael Smoking Ban, Strictest In The Nation, Goes Into Effect

    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post
    I'd be curious to know the science of how much second-hand smoking seeping in from the apartment next door actually happens. Incidentally, I work in San Rafael and occasionally smoke.
    I would be curious about this as well, although generally speaking I feel your right to increase my risk of lung cancer is very close to zero.
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    Re: San Rafael Smoking Ban, Strictest In The Nation, Goes Into Effect

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    So this is interesting.

    "Last week, the San Francisco suburb made active a smoking ban that officials say is the strictest in the country, prohibiting smoking cigarettes in your own home.

    The ordinance specifically bans smoking in dwellings that share a wall with another unit, including apartments, duplexes and condominiums. The hope is to eliminate second-hand smoke from creeping through doors and windows, ventilation systems, floorboards and other susceptible openings. According to a U.S. Surgeon General report, secondhand smoke kills about 50,000 Americans per year, including 430 infants.

    The San Rafael City Council unanimously approved the ban last year."


    This seems pretty extreme to me but at the same time I can understand the rationale. It seems to me that while someone has every right to smoke if they chose and expose THEMSELVES to the health risks associated with it they do not have the right to make that choice for me.

    I do wonder thought if they could have accomplished protections from second hand smoke in a less invasive way.

    What are you thoughts?


    They have no right to ban you from using a legal product in your own home.


    There is simply no justification at all. None.

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    Re: San Rafael Smoking Ban, Strictest In The Nation, Goes Into Effect

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    I would be curious about this as well, although generally speaking I feel your right to increase my risk of lung cancer is very close to zero.
    No cars. No coal-burning electricity generation. No campfires upwind of me.

    This law basically states that only private landowners and their guests can legally smoke in the city. How can that possibly hold constitutional muster -- issues of the inordinate stupidity and irrational fear at the heart of the law aside?

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    Re: San Rafael Smoking Ban, Strictest In The Nation, Goes Into Effect

    Quote Originally Posted by GhostlyJoe View Post
    No cars. No coal-burning electricity generation. No campfires upwind of me.

    This law basically states that only private landowners and their guests can legally smoke in the city. How can that possibly hold constitutional muster -- issues of the inordinate stupidity and irrational fear at the heart of the law aside?


    Be damn hard to enforce too.




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