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    Re: San Rafael Smoking Ban, Strictest In The Nation, Goes Into Effect

    So far, I see only reports and not the studies and determination basis... I will spend more time during the next couple of days.
    congrats... you at least came up with something worth spending some time to verify. Maybe we can continue another time.

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    Re: San Rafael Smoking Ban, Strictest In The Nation, Goes Into Effect

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    I thought this was about 2nd hand smoke being able to get into adjacent apts?

    If not, if there is no exchange....what is the issue? I thought this ^^^ was the basis for the issue?
    It is about just being able to get a whiff of the smell of smoke not second hand smoke.

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    Re: San Rafael Smoking Ban, Strictest In The Nation, Goes Into Effect

    I thought California was so liberal or is it liberal as long as you go along?
    It's nothing more than X's and O's.

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    Re: San Rafael Smoking Ban, Strictest In The Nation, Goes Into Effect

    Why anyone at all still lives in California is beyond me.

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    Re: San Rafael Smoking Ban, Strictest In The Nation, Goes Into Effect

    Quote Originally Posted by Thom Paine View Post
    I just wish to see these supposed studies that no one can produce.

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    Did you ever try a google search?

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    Re: San Rafael Smoking Ban, Strictest In The Nation, Goes Into Effect

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    Did you ever try a google search?
    Nope .. it's not my argument to prove...
    but refer to post #41 above. I will be reading the evidence as presented over the next couple of days as time permits.

    Have a great day Paddy

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    Re: San Rafael Smoking Ban, Strictest In The Nation, Goes Into Effect

    Quote Originally Posted by rhinefire View Post
    I thought California was so liberal or is it liberal as long as you go along?
    I think CA was the first state in the country where an entire town banned smoking in public. It was 'Walnut Grove' or something like that.
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    Re: San Rafael Smoking Ban, Strictest In The Nation, Goes Into Effect

    Quote Originally Posted by rhinefire View Post
    I thought California was so liberal or is it liberal as long as you go along?
    Ding ding ding! We have a winner!

    As someone who has lived most of their life in California, I can personally attest that California is the least tolerant "tolerant" place there is. For all the preaching people spew forth regarding tolerance, they're only tolerant of those who fall in line with them.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: San Rafael Smoking Ban, Strictest In The Nation, Goes Into Effect

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    So this is interesting.

    "Last week, the San Francisco suburb made active a smoking ban that officials say is the strictest in the country, prohibiting smoking cigarettes in your own home.

    The ordinance specifically bans smoking in dwellings that share a wall with another unit, including apartments, duplexes and condominiums. The hope is to eliminate second-hand smoke from creeping through doors and windows, ventilation systems, floorboards and other susceptible openings. According to a U.S. Surgeon General report, secondhand smoke kills about 50,000 Americans per year, including 430 infants.

    The San Rafael City Council unanimously approved the ban last year."


    This seems pretty extreme to me but at the same time I can understand the rationale. It seems to me that while someone has every right to smoke if they chose and expose THEMSELVES to the health risks associated with it they do not have the right to make that choice for me.

    I do wonder thought if they could have accomplished protections from second hand smoke in a less invasive way.

    What are you thoughts?
    Government loves being in your home telling you what to do.
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    Re: San Rafael Smoking Ban, Strictest In The Nation, Goes Into Effect

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Government loves being in your home telling you what to do.
    I don't really think government is the boogeyman. I think it's a mix of different people with different motivations and different intentions like anything else. I do however think that if anything can bring out the worst in someone, it's a little power, so anyone who has any is worth keeping an eye on.
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