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    Re: San Rafael Smoking Ban, Strictest In The Nation, Goes Into Effect

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    Who proved secondhand smoke is a killer. How and in what concentrations over how much time? Water can kill you if you drink too much and that's what you are mostly made of. Its takes breathing cigarette smoke directly decades to kill you. And that's getting the full dose every time. Secondhand smoke is a bull**** scam. You breathe in more silicon from the ground you walk on than you do any kind of secondhand smoke.
    LOL

    You are disputing that 2nd hand smoke causes cancer?

    Good luck with that. The studies have been out and received medical community acceptance for years. That is not even being disputed in the OP.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: San Rafael Smoking Ban, Strictest In The Nation, Goes Into Effect

    Goes way too far. If challenged, I doubt it would pass constitutional muster.

    I said 20 years ago that if people didn't stand up to invasive laws that infringe on their rights to make their own lifestyle choices and vendetta against smokers (I quit smoking 12 years ago), they'd eventually find laws expanded into what they could and could not legally eat (yay, it's already happened!!), and what perfectly legal (as of then) foods/activities they could and could not have in their own homes.

    We've got self-important legislators from city councils up to congress making laws about whether allowing kids to eat at McDonalds or indulge in chips, sweets, etc., is child abuse, how big a soda is allowable to be sold/consumed, what kind of fat is allowed to be used, etc. People just keep grumbling and accepting these totally unacceptable laws that govern what even adults are allowed to consume and how much is allowed.

    Eventually folks who keep saying "doesn't affect me, I don't smoke, eat junk food, or drink soda" will end up wondering why they suddenly are not allowed to have a juicy steak, margarine/butter on their baked potato, discover all cooking oils have been banned, salt is rationed (for your own good), special permits required to purchase anything with more than 15 grams of sugar, etc.

    Go ahead and laugh. I'm used to it. I was right 20 years ago, and I'm right now.

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    Re: San Rafael Smoking Ban, Strictest In The Nation, Goes Into Effect

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    LOL

    You are disputing that 2nd hand smoke causes cancer?

    Good luck with that. The studies have been out and received medical community acceptance for years. That is not even being disputed in the OP.
    Please cite the specific studies of which you speak

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    Re: San Rafael Smoking Ban, Strictest In The Nation, Goes Into Effect

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    I don't smoke and I hate hate hate the smell of cigarettes but I feel like this is a little over the top. Like I said, it seems as if they could have taken other steps to accommodate the stated outcome (non-smokers being protected from the dangers of 2nd hand smoke) This approach almost makes it seem as if they have a larger agenda.
    Pandering to the political majority at the expense of the politically weak?
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    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: San Rafael Smoking Ban, Strictest In The Nation, Goes Into Effect

    Quote Originally Posted by Thom Paine View Post
    Please cite the specific studies of which you speak

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    No thanks. It's so mainstream now I cant be bothered. It's like asking me to provide links that smoking causes cancer.

    Are you disputing that 2nd hand smoke has been found to cause cancer?
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: San Rafael Smoking Ban, Strictest In The Nation, Goes Into Effect

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    LOL

    You are disputing that 2nd hand smoke causes cancer?

    Good luck with that. The studies have been out and received medical community acceptance for years. That is not even being disputed in the OP.

    For years, I've asked for cited studies and no one has produced even one such study.... poppycock

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    Re: San Rafael Smoking Ban, Strictest In The Nation, Goes Into Effect

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    No thanks. It's so mainstream now I cant be bothered. It's like asking me to provide links that smoking causes cancer.

    Are you disputing that 2nd hand smoke has been found to cause cancer?
    I just wish to see these supposed studies that no one can produce.

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    Re: San Rafael Smoking Ban, Strictest In The Nation, Goes Into Effect

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    No thanks. It's so mainstream now I cant be bothered. It's like asking me to provide links that smoking causes cancer.

    Are you disputing that 2nd hand smoke has been found to cause cancer?
    This response suggests, once again, that such studies cannot be produced.

    Good eve to you Lursa

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    Re: San Rafael Smoking Ban, Strictest In The Nation, Goes Into Effect

    Quote Originally Posted by Thom Paine View Post
    I just wish to see these supposed studies that no one can produce.

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    Secondhand Smoke
    Secondhand Smoke and Cancer - National Cancer Institute
    Effects of Secondhand Smoke
    Secondhand Smoke | Smokefree.gov
    CDC - Fact Sheet - Secondhand Smoke Facts - Smoking & Tobacco Use

    And their associated links to the research.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: San Rafael Smoking Ban, Strictest In The Nation, Goes Into Effect

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    So this is interesting.

    "Last week, the San Francisco suburb made active a smoking ban that officials say is the strictest in the country, prohibiting smoking cigarettes in your own home.

    The ordinance specifically bans smoking in dwellings that share a wall with another unit, including apartments, duplexes and condominiums. The hope is to eliminate second-hand smoke from creeping through doors and windows, ventilation systems, floorboards and other susceptible openings. According to a U.S. Surgeon General report, secondhand smoke kills about 50,000 Americans per year, including 430 infants.

    The San Rafael City Council unanimously approved the ban last year."


    This seems pretty extreme to me but at the same time I can understand the rationale. It seems to me that while someone has every right to smoke if they chose and expose THEMSELVES to the health risks associated with it they do not have the right to make that choice for me.

    I do wonder thought if they could have accomplished protections from second hand smoke in a less invasive way.

    What are you thoughts?
    I think it will go largely unenforced except in extreme circumstances. One would have to be able to prove that the person is smoking inside and that could probably only be accomplished with video evidence or some kind of smoke related damage to the other part of the structure. People aren't really that concerned with ratting each other out for something so trivial unless it really does effect them negatively.

    I wouldn't start calling 911 for this unless you want to piss off the police.

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