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    Re: San Rafael Smoking Ban, Strictest In The Nation, Goes Into Effect

    Just more out of control government regulation.
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    Re: San Rafael Smoking Ban, Strictest In The Nation, Goes Into Effect

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    But this is a very controllable issue we're talking about. If you choose to share walls/apts, etc then there are many concessions you have to make, legally, socially, things in your lease, etc.
    With rentals, I agree. It's harder to enforce concessions when you own it - like half a duplex or a condo. That's where San Rafael may have a hard time enforcing this ordinance ...

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    Re: San Rafael Smoking Ban, Strictest In The Nation, Goes Into Effect

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    They can if that product's cancer-causing byproduct ends up in my apartment.

    It's an interesting issue...what is the ventilation system requirement that does not allow any transfer of air between dwellings? Strong aromas, such as garlic, often filter into adjacent apts....would that type of ventilation also allow carcinogens?
    A wall stops the smoke rather effectively, get over it.

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    Re: San Rafael Smoking Ban, Strictest In The Nation, Goes Into Effect

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Most of those things YOU CHOOSE to do, they are not imposed on you by someone else. You have control over them. RE: the environmental carcinogens....what kind of data do you have on the harm they are doing to individuals? Do they have the impact of second-hand smoke? Is that impact been documented and recognized? (If they cant be detected....?????)

    So for second hand smoke...IF the smoke itself reaches adjacent apts....that is documented as harmful unless there is some type of filtration in place.
    Either get used to it, put in your own filtration system, move or have some "dirty deeds done dirt cheap!"

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    Re: San Rafael Smoking Ban, Strictest In The Nation, Goes Into Effect

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    If you can prove that frying food fumes or cooking gas getting into your apt from mine are harmful than IMO it is no different from 2nd hand smoke. And no apt should allow exhaust fumes to get into attached apts...that is deadly and I assume property owners mitigate it with exhaust fans, etc since people arent dropping dead daily from CO poisoning.

    But 2nd hand smoke is proven to be a killer, as measured over time and exposure. I dont know about ppm. Do you want your baby in an apt with ANY 2nd hand smoke?
    You want your baby in apt with any tailpipe emissions that seeped in from outside?
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    Re: San Rafael Smoking Ban, Strictest In The Nation, Goes Into Effect

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    If you can prove that frying food fumes or cooking gas getting into your apt from mine are harmful than IMO it is no different from 2nd hand smoke. And no apt should allow exhaust fumes to get into attached apts...that is deadly and I assume property owners mitigate it with exhaust fans, etc since people arent dropping dead daily from CO poisoning.

    But 2nd hand smoke is proven to be a killer, as measured over time and exposure. I dont know about ppm. Do you want your baby in an apt with ANY 2nd hand smoke?
    Who proved secondhand smoke is a killer. How and in what concentrations over how much time? Water can kill you if you drink too much and that's what you are mostly made of. Its takes breathing cigarette smoke directly decades to kill you. And that's getting the full dose every time. Secondhand smoke is a bull**** scam. You breathe in more silicon from the ground you walk on than you do any kind of secondhand smoke.
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    Re: San Rafael Smoking Ban, Strictest In The Nation, Goes Into Effect

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    Either get used to it, put in your own filtration system, move or have some "dirty deeds done dirt cheap!"
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    Re: San Rafael Smoking Ban, Strictest In The Nation, Goes Into Effect

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    A wall stops the smoke rather effectively, get over it.
    I thought this was about 2nd hand smoke being able to get into adjacent apts?

    If not, if there is no exchange....what is the issue? I thought this ^^^ was the basis for the issue?
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    Re: San Rafael Smoking Ban, Strictest In The Nation, Goes Into Effect

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    Either get used to it, put in your own filtration system, move or have some "dirty deeds done dirt cheap!"
    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    I thought this was about 2nd hand smoke being able to get into adjacent apts?

    If not, if there is no exchange....what is the issue? I thought this ^^^ was the basis for the issue?

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    Re: San Rafael Smoking Ban, Strictest In The Nation, Goes Into Effect

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    You want your baby in apt with any tailpipe emissions that seeped in from outside?
    Exactly.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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