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    Re: NY Post "cooked jobs numbers" story debunked, hard

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    It's heavily implied. The original article does not draw a very clear distinction between the time of Buckmon's tenure at Census and the 2012 jobs report. In fact, it intentionally obfuscates it.



    No, no they couldn't have. Not in Sept. 2012 when he'd been gone for a year. The NY Post piece leaves that (in)convenient fact out.
    I have no power to influence your inferences.. but to argue that it was "heavily implied" is false.....it clearly states he was caught fabricating date 2 years before the election.... nowhere does it argue he was caught fabricating data in 2012... nowhere.... it doesn't mention julius in regards to the election at all.

    in addition, "intentionally obfuscates it" is your opinion, certainly not fact.

    the bigger part of the story is the part about Julius being ordered by "higher up" to fabricate data... and the resulting lack of proper investigation by the census bureau.. along with them not reporting the fabricated data to Labor.
    all of this is heresay at this point, so i won't put my stamp of approval on any of it....there's simply not much in the way of corroboration.... but at the end of the day, your "debunking" has failed.

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    Re: NY Post "cooked jobs numbers" story debunked, hard

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Um, no it wouldn't have, necessarily. If say 90 of the 100 surveys reported employed people, that would RAISE the unemployment rate. This bozo can't help but mislead.
    so if more people have jobs, that raises the unemployment rate?

    interesting math skills.

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    Re: NY Post "cooked jobs numbers" story debunked, hard

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    What do expect from a Murdoch tabloid POS rag? You could tell it was fake by the lack of links especially to bls.gov.
    lack of BLS link = fake?...... interesting logic.


    say, how are your math skills?... do you believe more people having jobs leads to a higher unemployment rate too?

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    Re: NY Post "cooked jobs numbers" story debunked, hard

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    so if more people have jobs, that raises the unemployment rate?

    interesting math skills.
    10 out of 100 unemployed is 10%, which is HIGHER THAN THE UNEMPLOYMENT RATE WAS AT THE TIME. Hence, rate goes up. Learn to math.
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    Re: NY Post "cooked jobs numbers" story debunked, hard

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Um, no it wouldn't have, necessarily. If say 90 of the 100 surveys reported employed people, that would RAISE the unemployment rate. This bozo can't help but mislead.
    So you're familiar with his work? I didn't know anything about him, so I Googled. Found very little, so that would be great if you'd share what you know.

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    Re: NY Post "cooked jobs numbers" story debunked, hard

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    So you're familiar with his work? I didn't know anything about him, so I Googled. Found very little, so that would be great if you'd share what you know.
    With whose work?
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    Re: NY Post "cooked jobs numbers" story debunked, hard

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    With whose work?
    Uh, the "bozo" you said couldn't help but mislead?

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    Re: NY Post "cooked jobs numbers" story debunked, hard

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Uh, the "bozo" you said couldn't help but mislead?
    The NY Post columnist? I hadn't seen any of his work before this story. So now I've seen two of his pieces.

    He's 2-for-2 regarding publishing misleading bull****.
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    Re: NY Post "cooked jobs numbers" story debunked, hard

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    The NY Post columnist? I hadn't seen any of his work before this story. So now I've seen two of his pieces.

    He's 2-for-2 regarding publishing misleading bull****.
    That's why I asked. How do you know that he can't help but mislead if you've read only two of his pieces and know as little as I do about him?

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    Re: NY Post "cooked jobs numbers" story debunked, hard

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    10 out of 100 unemployed is 10%, which is HIGHER THAN THE UNEMPLOYMENT RATE WAS AT THE TIME. Hence, rate goes up. Learn to math.
    where are you getting this 10% numbner from?... it doesn't seem to be in any article... it seem to be something you are making up.

    what is established is that julius was creating people out of thin air and giving them jobs.....which would decrease the unemployment rate in his area ( not sure it would have much effect, if at all) on the national number

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