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    Re: NY Post "cooked jobs numbers" story debunked, hard

    I don't know if the original story is true or not... but this "debunking " story did a piss poor job of debunking it.

    the original story does not paint this Julius guy as the only one doing the falsifying of records, in fact.. the story points out that the "whitsleblower" clearly states .." he's not the only one"


    from the original story...
    Just two years before the presidential election, the Census Bureau had caught an employee fabricating data that went into the unemployment report, which is one of the most closely watched measures of the economy.
    And a knowledgeable source says the deception went beyond that one employee — that it escalated at the time President Obama was seeking reelection in 2012 and continues today.
    “He’s not the only one,” said the source, who asked to remain anonymous for now but is willing to talk with the Labor Department and Congress if asked.
    the "debunker" ignored everything i put in quotes and replaced it with his own assumptions.

    anyways, the OP has a very low standard for Debunking... the story hasn't been debunked " hard".. or even debunked at all.

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    Re: NY Post "cooked jobs numbers" story debunked, hard

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    I don't know if the original story is true or not... but this "debunking " story did a piss poor job of debunking it.

    the original story does not paint this Julius guy as the only one doing the falsifying of records, in fact.. the story points out that the "whitsleblower" clearly states .." he's not the only one"


    from the original story...


    the "debunker" ignored everything i put in quotes and replaced it with his own assumptions.

    anyways, the OP has a very low standard for Debunking... the story hasn't been debunked " hard".. or even debunked at all.
    The original story states that Julius was one of the guys doing this ... we now know he wasn't. That means the entire substance of the NY Post story is now "anonymous source alleges something bad." Sorry, but that doesn't cut it.
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    Re: NY Post "cooked jobs numbers" story debunked, hard

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    I don't know if the original story is true or not... but this "debunking " story did a piss poor job of debunking it.

    the original story does not paint this Julius guy as the only one doing the falsifying of records, in fact.. the story points out that the "whitsleblower" clearly states .." he's not the only one"


    from the original story...


    the "debunker" ignored everything i put in quotes and replaced it with his own assumptions.

    anyways, the OP has a very low standard for Debunking... the story hasn't been debunked " hard".. or even debunked at all.
    You know... this is all great and stuff, but say you take out the ONLY person mentioned by name. What do you have? Well, you have an anonymous source making an unsubstantiated claim and right wingers eating it up. Hardly hard hitting journalism standards.
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    Re: NY Post "cooked jobs numbers" story debunked, hard

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    The original story states that Julius was one of the guys doing this ... we now know he wasn't. That means the entire substance of the NY Post story is now "anonymous source alleges something bad." Sorry, but that doesn't cut it.
    from hte proginal story...
    Just two years before the presidential election, the Census Bureau had caught an employee fabricating data that went into the unemployment report, which is one of the most closely watched measures of the economy.
    The Census employee caught faking the results is Julius Buckmon, according to confidential Census documents obtained by The Post. Buckmon told me in an interview this past weekend that he was told to make up information by higher-ups at Census.
    clear as day... the original story point out that Julius was caught fabricating data 2 years before the election..... you article does not debunk that fact, it backs it up.

    nowhere in the original story does it say Julius was fabricating data in 2012.... this is the only fact that your article "debunks" and it's not even a fact that was included in the original story.

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    Re: NY Post "cooked jobs numbers" story debunked, hard

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    You know... this is all great and stuff, but say you take out the ONLY person mentioned by name. What do you have? Well, you have an anonymous source making an unsubstantiated claim and right wingers eating it up. Hardly hard hitting journalism standards.

    that's true.. there is only the unnamed whistleblower who supposedly is willing to go before congress if asked....

    and sure,some right wingers will eat it up... just as some left wingers will eat up this "debunking".... partisan politics works that way day in and day out, facts be damned.
    let's not pretend this is a right wing trait.. it's pretty much a universal political trait.

    until i see some proof, this is just another story in a sea of stories... no attention need be paid.
    I learned long ago not to buy into "unnamed trusted sources" as gospel....most often, the stories go nowhere.

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    Re: NY Post "cooked jobs numbers" story debunked, hard

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    from hte proginal story...

    clear as day... the original story point out that Julius was caught fabricating data 2 years before the election..... you article does not debunk that fact, it backs it up.

    nowhere in the original story does it say Julius was fabricating data in 2012.... this is the only fact that your article "debunks" and it's not even a fact that was included in the original story.
    It's heavily implied. The original article does not draw a very clear distinction between the time of Buckmon's tenure at Census and the 2012 jobs report. In fact, it intentionally obfuscates it.

    By making up survey results — and, essentially, creating people out of thin air and giving them jobs — Buckmon’s actions could have lowered the jobless rate.
    No, no they couldn't have. Not in Sept. 2012 when he'd been gone for a year. The NY Post piece leaves that (in)convenient fact out.
    Last edited by Kobie; 11-22-13 at 10:20 PM.
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    Re: NY Post "cooked jobs numbers" story debunked, hard

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Last week, many conservatives on this site and around the interwebs gleefully chimed in on another "Obama scandal" -- this time, a New York Post column, based on an anonymous source and the confirmed chicanery of Census worker Julius Buckmon (story can be found here), alleged that the Census bureau cooked the jobs numbers in the run-up to the 2012 election, presumably to grease the skids for Obama's re-election.

    Turns out that Exhibit A in columnist John Cruedele's expose on chicanery at Census was ... well, calling it bull**** would be an insult to actual bull****.

    A bogus NY Post piece sets off a frenzy : Columbia Journalism Review



    But, of course, none of this matters. The right wing has jumped to conclusions without any facts (AGAIN), and now it's part of the right-wing zeitgeist that Obama ****ed around with the jobs numbers before the election.
    What do expect from a Murdoch tabloid POS rag? You could tell it was fake by the lack of links especially to bls.gov.


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    Re: NY Post "cooked jobs numbers" story debunked, hard

    Drudele says his source is willing to testify if protected from retaliation: House probes Census over

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    Re: NY Post "cooked jobs numbers" story debunked, hard

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Drudele says his source is willing to testify if protected from retaliation: House probes Census over
    I can’t say if the faking of the jobs numbers was politically motivated or not — although most of the extra 100 monthly surveys submitted by Blackmon did contain info that people did get jobs.

    That would have helped lower the unemployment rate.
    Um, no it wouldn't have, necessarily. If say 90 of the 100 surveys reported employed people, that would RAISE the unemployment rate. This bozo can't help but mislead.
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