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Another couple found guilty of murder for parenting by "To Train Up a Child"

Please keep this a secret. The kids raised in these homes will have such a great advantage over me in the work place.



Employers love people like this.

You took this from child abuse to employment? Agenda driven people like yourself make these boards so annoying. Try to stay on topic for once, please.
 
All children are not the same. The adopted daughter was only trying to stand her ground against the monsters that were granted adoption papers on her. Other kids might have tried to keep from being beaten, starved, and left out in the cold without clothing, but not her. She knew that they were in the wrong and would not bow down to them. It cost her her life.

I don't give a damn about the pearls and their stupid book. I'm 100% against censorship of literature.

Anyone have an address for the murderous parents?

EDIT: I just reread the link and see that both parents have been found guilty of murder. I guess I'll have to wait until they've served their time. The man had better concoct a story about murdering someone else. He won't do well in population with the facts known to the inmates.
 
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the older children with rulers paddles and belts is perfectly fine,as it stings and teaches a lesson,with no physical or psycological harm.
If it's OK for older children it should be OK for adults. Maybe if your boss punished you with rulers or belts you'd work harder.
 
Ok, not saying I agree with these techniques, I certainly do not, BUT, and argument can be made with a great deal of data to support it that corporal punishment (Which this is and was widely used in Europe and Canada until about 30 years ago) is effective in keeping order and discipline in children. I grew up in Canada when corporal punishment was just starting to be banned, but I received the "strap" at school, and when we lived in England when I was much younger, the cane and the strap were very effective. I KNEW that if I messed up I would be punished harshly, and I thought twice about it. I have been somewhat lucky in that my first three kids didn't need any physical discipline, but my fourth and youngest boy has received a few taps on the rear-end from time to time. Some kids respond well to a calm approach to discipline, (time outs, taking things away etc..) Some do not. Time outs and taking things away from my 4 year old does not work, however, a threat of spanking does, so it is what it is..


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Please keep this a secret. The kids raised in these homes will have such a great advantage over me in the work place.



Employers love people like this.

You can't really be that much of an ass.
 
Religious alone is not the problem. Religious and completely bat**** insane is a deadly combination, though.

Proverbs 13:24 He who spares the rod hates his son, but he who loves him is diligent to discipline him.
Proverbs 29:15 The rod and reproof give wisdom, but a child left to himself brings shame to his mother.
Proverbs 22:6 Train up a child in the way he should go, and when he is old he will not depart from it.
Ephisians 6:4 Fathers, do not provoke your children to anger, but bring them up in the discipline and instruction of the Lord.

I think this is some of what certain people are taking to extremes.
 
I bet the ****er is actually a sadistic sex slave domination "daddy". You gotta really hate your ****in life to exert THIS level of control over other people. You have to have zero humanity and disguise it as "helping" people. Always carrying a secret tool of punishment around on you just to passively instill fear 24/7??? How about a ****in necklace showing love instead? I would hate to hurt anyone in any circumstance but would sorta love to be put in a underground room with all these "domination" ****s who think they are so damn tough and full of pride. Anyone who needs to "dominate" a weaker woman or child (or man I guess) is the type of person I would love to "dominate" and give them a taste of "instilled fear" doubled and squared. You seriously have to view a human as subhuman to punish them like this. I wouldnt even punish animals like this.

Im not so sure on the "hosing off, and cold water" with potty training though. My little brother kept sneaking off to take dumps and pisses in his pants well after he knew it was wrong and 1 ice cold shower from the moms potty trained him instantly. But she only did it once and didnt leave him in there very long or anything. He just didnt care or pay attention to his potties and after that he did. If prison guards can hose of a person with cold water then a parent should maybe be able to utilize this as a very rare punishment. Its more forgiving than spanking as long as you dont overexpose them to cold even in the slightest. Cold shower just doesnt seem that bad (unless it crosses into the threshhold of obvious abuse) compared to using tubes and stuff to hide the marks.
 
I think this is some of what certain people are taking to extremes.

Yeah, pretty much anything in any holy book can be interpreted and taken to extremes. Look at Jehova's Witnesses and their refusal to get blood tranfusions. Or the Hindus and their caste system. Or Muslims and their jihads....
 
Yeah, pretty much anything in any holy book can be interpreted and taken to extremes. Look at Jehova's Witnesses and their refusal to get blood tranfusions. Or the Hindus and their caste system. Or Muslims and their jihads....

I think Jihad actually means "To Struggle" and the western media ran with it and always has. "Holy war" is another word. So basically the western media can turn any struggle that might happen into "Jihad" and instantly Americans will think "fanatics".
 
Yeah, this is extreme authoritarian parenting. Really extreme. I can't think of too many circumstances where this would be remotely productive.

These are "parenting" techniques that would be classified as war crimes if our troops were doing it. There aren't any circumstances in which this is remotely productive.
 
Religious alone is not the problem. Religious and completely bat**** insane is a deadly combination, though.

I think religion is the problem though, it teaches people not to be critical and rational about their beliefs and if someone falls for religion, they are much more likely to fall for other kinds of irrational beliefs as well. The religious are much more likely to believe in ghosts and astrology and all manner of other stupid nonsense than the non-religious, studies have shown that conclusively.
 
I think religion is the problem though, it teaches people not to be critical and rational about their beliefs and if someone falls for religion, they are much more likely to fall for other kinds of irrational beliefs as well. The religious are much more likely to believe in ghosts and astrology and all manner of other stupid nonsense than the non-religious, studies have shown that conclusively.

If your supposition were correct there would be a lot more of this kind of behavior.
 
I think religion is the problem though, it teaches people not to be critical and rational about their beliefs and if someone falls for religion, they are much more likely to fall for other kinds of irrational beliefs as well. The religious are much more likely to believe in ghosts and astrology and all manner of other stupid nonsense than the non-religious, studies have shown that conclusively.

It depends on the religion and the level of involvement or indoctrination with each individual person. I don't think it's fair to generalize.
 
I think religion is the problem though, it teaches people not to be critical and rational about their beliefs and if someone falls for religion, they are much more likely to fall for other kinds of irrational beliefs as well. The religious are much more likely to believe in ghosts and astrology and all manner of other stupid nonsense than the non-religious, studies have shown that conclusively.

I never used to believe in astrology. Until my horoscopes starting getting chillingly accurate. I think perhaps the layout of the stars and the day and were you were born in the solar system might has some sort of effect on people just like the moon creates tides with the sun. But I also don't think that everyone is tied down by fate and there is no concrete, predetermined outcome to your paths.
 
the older children with rulers paddles and belts is perfectly fine,as it stings and teaches a lesson,with no physical or psycological harm.

all he rest are absolutely horrible,they aim to not only physically abuse a child,but mentally also,the goal is to show punishment for misdeeds,not to physically hurt them and scar them for life,whatever happened to daddy's belt being the solution????

I never had to use a belt or my hand... time outs, discussions, understanding, accepting responsibility, a hug and I love you is the process I took and my kids are great.
 
If your supposition were correct there would be a lot more of this kind of behavior.

Hate to say it but there *IS* a lot of this behavior. News stories of religious parents who kill their kids are commonplace.
 
Yeah, pretty much anything in any holy book can be interpreted and taken to extremes. Look at Jehova's Witnesses and their refusal to get blood tranfusions. Or the Hindus and their caste system. Or Muslims and their jihads....

How about I love you, as I love my neighbor? :D
 
It depends on the religion and the level of involvement or indoctrination with each individual person. I don't think it's fair to generalize.

Even the most liberal theists believe things for which there is no good evidence. It certainly gets worse as they move to more fundamentalist levels but all theists are guilty to some degree.
 
Nah. There's training a child --- which I've done --- and there's breaking a child. This is breaking, and it's way too far.

I don't know about the rest of the parents here, but good parenting only really requires three things. Consistency, a backbone, and patience. Well four things some modicum of intelligence otherwise know as common sense. I have not read the book so I DONT know if this just sadistic stupidity but from the excerpts the methods seem to be a bit shall we say heavy handed. I have used physical discipline before and have no problems to its use but I reserve it for the most important of corrections. Its overuse just dilutes its effect as I can personally testify to as I was subject to it. I am of the opinion the object is to produce a well adjusted civilized human being with the intestinal fortitude to cope with life's crap, I highly doubt beating the hell out of, children regularly will get that result.
 
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I never used to believe in astrology. Until my horoscopes starting getting chillingly accurate. I think perhaps the layout of the stars and the day and were you were born in the solar system might has some sort of effect on people just like the moon creates tides with the sun. But I also don't think that everyone is tied down by fate and there is no concrete, predetermined outcome to your paths.

Astrology has no more demonstrable validity than religion. You're just remembering the hits and ignoring the misses.
 
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