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    Re: Another couple found guilty of murder for parenting by "To Train Up a Child"

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    Religious alone is not the problem. Religious and completely bat**** insane is a deadly combination, though.
    I think religion is the problem though, it teaches people not to be critical and rational about their beliefs and if someone falls for religion, they are much more likely to fall for other kinds of irrational beliefs as well. The religious are much more likely to believe in ghosts and astrology and all manner of other stupid nonsense than the non-religious, studies have shown that conclusively.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Another couple found guilty of murder for parenting by "To Train Up a Child"

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    I think religion is the problem though, it teaches people not to be critical and rational about their beliefs and if someone falls for religion, they are much more likely to fall for other kinds of irrational beliefs as well. The religious are much more likely to believe in ghosts and astrology and all manner of other stupid nonsense than the non-religious, studies have shown that conclusively.
    If your supposition were correct there would be a lot more of this kind of behavior.

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    Re: Another couple found guilty of murder for parenting by "To Train Up a Child"

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    I think religion is the problem though, it teaches people not to be critical and rational about their beliefs and if someone falls for religion, they are much more likely to fall for other kinds of irrational beliefs as well. The religious are much more likely to believe in ghosts and astrology and all manner of other stupid nonsense than the non-religious, studies have shown that conclusively.
    It depends on the religion and the level of involvement or indoctrination with each individual person. I don't think it's fair to generalize.
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    Re: Another couple found guilty of murder for parenting by "To Train Up a Child"

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    I think religion is the problem though, it teaches people not to be critical and rational about their beliefs and if someone falls for religion, they are much more likely to fall for other kinds of irrational beliefs as well. The religious are much more likely to believe in ghosts and astrology and all manner of other stupid nonsense than the non-religious, studies have shown that conclusively.
    I never used to believe in astrology. Until my horoscopes starting getting chillingly accurate. I think perhaps the layout of the stars and the day and were you were born in the solar system might has some sort of effect on people just like the moon creates tides with the sun. But I also don't think that everyone is tied down by fate and there is no concrete, predetermined outcome to your paths.
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    Re: Another couple found guilty of murder for parenting by "To Train Up a Child"

    Quote Originally Posted by beerftw View Post
    the older children with rulers paddles and belts is perfectly fine,as it stings and teaches a lesson,with no physical or psycological harm.

    all he rest are absolutely horrible,they aim to not only physically abuse a child,but mentally also,the goal is to show punishment for misdeeds,not to physically hurt them and scar them for life,whatever happened to daddy's belt being the solution????
    I never had to use a belt or my hand... time outs, discussions, understanding, accepting responsibility, a hug and I love you is the process I took and my kids are great.
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    Re: Another couple found guilty of murder for parenting by "To Train Up a Child"

    Quote Originally Posted by tech30528 View Post
    If your supposition were correct there would be a lot more of this kind of behavior.
    Hate to say it but there *IS* a lot of this behavior. News stories of religious parents who kill their kids are commonplace.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Another couple found guilty of murder for parenting by "To Train Up a Child"

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    Yeah, pretty much anything in any holy book can be interpreted and taken to extremes. Look at Jehova's Witnesses and their refusal to get blood tranfusions. Or the Hindus and their caste system. Or Muslims and their jihads....
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    Re: Another couple found guilty of murder for parenting by "To Train Up a Child"

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    It depends on the religion and the level of involvement or indoctrination with each individual person. I don't think it's fair to generalize.
    Even the most liberal theists believe things for which there is no good evidence. It certainly gets worse as they move to more fundamentalist levels but all theists are guilty to some degree.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Another couple found guilty of murder for parenting by "To Train Up a Child"

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Nah. There's training a child --- which I've done --- and there's breaking a child. This is breaking, and it's way too far.
    I don't know about the rest of the parents here, but good parenting only really requires three things. Consistency, a backbone, and patience. Well four things some modicum of intelligence otherwise know as common sense. I have not read the book so I DONT know if this just sadistic stupidity but from the excerpts the methods seem to be a bit shall we say heavy handed. I have used physical discipline before and have no problems to its use but I reserve it for the most important of corrections. Its overuse just dilutes its effect as I can personally testify to as I was subject to it. I am of the opinion the object is to produce a well adjusted civilized human being with the intestinal fortitude to cope with life's crap, I highly doubt beating the hell out of, children regularly will get that result.
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    Re: Another couple found guilty of murder for parenting by "To Train Up a Child"

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    I never used to believe in astrology. Until my horoscopes starting getting chillingly accurate. I think perhaps the layout of the stars and the day and were you were born in the solar system might has some sort of effect on people just like the moon creates tides with the sun. But I also don't think that everyone is tied down by fate and there is no concrete, predetermined outcome to your paths.
    Astrology has no more demonstrable validity than religion. You're just remembering the hits and ignoring the misses.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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