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    Re: 'Gay' columnist blasts same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    All of this begs the question of why the state cares about marriage at all. It shouldn't. It should remain a religious institution. But, if the state demands to be involved, it should let gay people marry, too.
    Marriage is, pretty much, a contract. Someone has to be able to legally enforce said contract, or oversee its termination.

    Marriage hasn't been a religious-only institution for a LONG time, be it in the U.S. or anywhere else. Back in the day, when adultery was prosecuted, adultery was not considered a sex crime. It was considered a property crime.

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    Seems pretty simple. The only people against it are jihading cultural conservatives.
    Well yeah.
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    Re: 'Gay' columnist blasts same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    All of this begs the question of why the state cares about marriage at all. It shouldn't. It should remain a religious institution. But, if the state demands to be involved, it should let gay people marry, too.

    Seems pretty simple. The only people against it are jihading cultural conservatives.
    The best thing for raising a child is a stable home with two loving parents. Marriage promotes monogamy and stability. In that way, the state does have a compelling interest in marriage. And practically, it is not going to go away. There is zero real desire by any one except a few fringe libertarians to "get the government out of marriage".
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    Re: 'Gay' columnist blasts same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The guy has more credibility on the subject than you do. His sexuality makes him untouchable.
    That is baloney.

    That is like "I have a black friend, so I now how all black people think"

    Do you really think all gay people think the same way?

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    Re: 'Gay' columnist blasts same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    The best thing for raising a child is a stable home with two loving parents. Marriage promotes monogamy and stability. In that way, the state does have a compelling interest in marriage. And practically, it is not going to go away. There is zero real desire by any one except a few fringe libertarians to "get the government out of marriage".
    Many people from every political spectrum think the government should get out of the marriage business and should never have gotten into it in the first place. The only reason it did was 1.) to try to buy votes by giving tax breaks and legal benefits to people who bought a marriage license from the government and 2.) money from marriage licenses.

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    Re: 'Gay' columnist blasts same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    That is baloney.

    That is like "I have a black friend, so I now how all black people think"

    Do you really think all gay people think the same way?
    Those who think all gay folks want/approve of gay marriage seem to think this.

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    Re: 'Gay' columnist blasts same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Those who think all gay folks want/approve of gay marriage seem to think this.
    I do not know of ANYONE that thinks all gay people want gay marriage.

    I live in an area with a large gay population. Yes. most of them want the OPPORTUNITY to be allowed to marry. But certainly not all.

    But I would be curious as to your source that actually says ALL gay people want to be able to marry.

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    Re: 'Gay' columnist blasts same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by mfriedmanrocks View Post
    Yeah I guess, I mean Im neither here nor there on the issue. Obviously if there is a kid going from foster home to foster home and an honest gay couple want to adopt I don't see a problem. I just think that ideal circumstances for a kid are to have a mother and a father. But as i said, doesn't mean a child can't be raised properly in any other environment
    I just do not get how this "ideal" relates to marriage.
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    Re: 'Gay' columnist blasts same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Marriage is, pretty much, a contract. Someone has to be able to legally enforce said contract, or oversee its termination.

    Marriage hasn't been a religious-only institution for a LONG time, be it in the U.S. or anywhere else. Back in the day, when adultery was prosecuted, adultery was not considered a sex crime. It was considered a property crime.
    Then there can be a different contract for people wanting that recognition by the government. Two people telling each other (and their god, I guess, sometimes) that they're gonna be together forever should...ya know...be between the two of them.
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    Re: 'Gay' columnist blasts same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    The best thing for raising a child is a stable home with two loving parents. Marriage promotes monogamy and stability. In that way, the state does have a compelling interest in marriage.
    Does it "promote" it? Or do people do that because they want to? Again, if two people decide to live together and share financial situations, let them. That doesn't need to be marriage, though. The whole thing seems kinda silly.


    And practically, it is not going to go away. There is zero real desire by any one except a few fringe libertarians to "get the government out of marriage".
    lol I wouldn't come close to describing myself as a libertarian, but then again I don't know if I care enough to say I have a "real" desire either way. Just pointing out common sense. I mean, I also think the nation would run better as an oligarchy, with only people with above average intelligence having a say in anything, but we know that's not practical for a variety of reasons, too. No reason not to say it, though.
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    Re: 'Gay' columnist blasts same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    No. See, you do not understand liberals at all. Saying some one should be treated the same as every one else does not mean they are above criticism.
    But, you can bet your ass that if a Rightie criticized a gay columnist, he wouldn't see the end of being branded a homophobe and YOU goddamn well know, ma'am.
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