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    Re: 'Gay' columnist blasts same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by mfriedmanrocks View Post
    We can. However, the nature of the family unit comes from human beings procreating and the social consequences of that. We can intellectualize it all we want but fundamentally, that it what it is. I'm coming from the basic view of nature. A child is created from a mother and a father. I believe we have to come away from that fact to understand the challenges of raising a child under other circumstances. The debate today is to overheated and personal, we should look at it from outside the box and not how it will effect gay people, but children.
    Fair enough. Gay people raise children. Why should those children not enjoy having married parents? And why does out society allow heterosexual people who cannot have children or who choose not to have children to get married and to remain married? Why don't we mandate marriage for parents who have children out of wedlock?

    The problem I have with this "marriage is about children" standard is it only seems to apply to same sex couples and it completely ignores the millions of children in this country who are raised by same sex couples. It also ignores the reality of how marriage is actually practiced by the heterosexual population.
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    Re: 'Gay' columnist blasts same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by mfriedmanrocks View Post
    He's simply advancing the notion that a family is not created by society and therefore should not be controlled by it. The fact that he's gay does not give credence to his argument but rather protects him from attacks that he's not being sensitive. We live in a whatever goes goes society, he's saying that there are inherent values in the things we do and that they can effect us. That marriage grew out of the man/woman/child natural model. I think what he means is that, yes, the unconditional love experienced in a union is all around the same, but raising and creating a family is different. Not to say that a gay couple wouldn't be able to raise a child properly, or that single parents can't, (having been the child of a single parent), but the obvious ideal circumstance would be a mother and a father.

    Please do not respond in any way that suggest I am against gays in any sense, I am not! I'm simply advancing my opinion. This isn't to say AT ALL that gay people are not allowed the same life, but we can't ignore nature in this discourse for the sake of being sensitive.
    Uh, the kids gay couples usually end up with were being "cared for" in rotating foster homes and other decidedly not ideal situations. Marriage rights for them doesn't lead to *increase* in those undesirable arrangements.

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    Re: 'Gay' columnist blasts same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    That's brand new to me. I only just encountered it for the first time in that homosexuality/pedophilia thread I started. In a way it's nice in that it provides a clearer sign that the article is bull****.
    Yeah, here's another: An open letter to ‘gay’ teens

    The fundamentalists tend to do that. Notice the 'You are not "gay" = it doesn't exist.

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    Re: 'Gay' columnist blasts same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Fair enough. Gay people raise children. Why should those children not enjoy having married parents? And why does out society allow heterosexual people who cannot have children or who choose not to have children to get married and to remain married? Why don't we mandate marriage for parents who have children out of wedlock?

    The problem I have with this "marriage is about children" standard is it only seems to apply to same sex couples and it completely ignores the millions of children in this country who are raised by same sex couples. It also ignores the reality of how marriage is actually practiced by the heterosexual population.
    It also ignores how many children are raised by opposite sex couples or parents who aren't married.

    Has any child, ever, asked to see his/her parents' marriage license?

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    Re: 'Gay' columnist blasts same-sex marriage

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    Why would it make him untouchable?
    Gays and minorities have always been untouchable, as far as the Libbos are concerned. Disagreeibg with a gay dude makes one a homophobe...yes?
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    Re: 'Gay' columnist blasts same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Gays and minorities have always been untouchable, as far as the Libbos are concerned. Disagreeibg with a gay dude makes one a homophobe...yes?
    Uh ... no ...

    Andrew Sullivan, who is as gay as the day is long, was more than happy to beat the war drums in the lead-up to Iraq. I disagreed with him. In apdstland, I suppose that makes me a homophobe.
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    Re: 'Gay' columnist blasts same-sex marriage

    This 'researcher' in question is actually a discredited researcher.

    "Regnerus is the conservative sociologist behind the New Family Structures Study, a junk-science hit piece that falsely claims that children of same-sex couples do worse than children raised by opposite-sex couples. The study was financed by far-right anti-gay groups in an attempt to derail the marriage equality movement."

    Read more at Regnerus Testifying Against Marriage Equality in Michigan | The Bilerico Project
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    Re: 'Gay' columnist blasts same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Fair enough. Gay people raise children. Why should those children not enjoy having married parents? And why does out society allow heterosexual people who cannot have children or who choose not to have children to get married and to remain married? Why don't we mandate marriage for parents who have children out of wedlock?

    The problem I have with this "marriage is about children" standard is it only seems to apply to same sex couples and it completely ignores the millions of children in this country who are raised by same sex couples. It also ignores the reality of how marriage is actually practiced by the heterosexual population.
    Yeah I guess, I mean Im neither here nor there on the issue. Obviously if there is a kid going from foster home to foster home and an honest gay couple want to adopt I don't see a problem. I just think that ideal circumstances for a kid are to have a mother and a father. But as i said, doesn't mean a child can't be raised properly in any other environment

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    Re: 'Gay' columnist blasts same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Gays and minorities have always been untouchable, as far as the Libbos are concerned. Disagreeibg with a gay dude makes one a homophobe...yes?
    No. See, you do not understand liberals at all. Saying some one should be treated the same as every one else does not mean they are above criticism.
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    Re: 'Gay' columnist blasts same-sex marriage

    All of this begs the question of why the state cares about marriage at all. It shouldn't. It should remain a religious institution. But, if the state demands to be involved, it should let gay people marry, too.

    Seems pretty simple. The only people against it are jihading cultural conservatives.
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