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    Re: 'Gay' columnist blasts same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    You cannot make an argument against gay marriage that doesn't apply more strongly to divorce. Whether you're arguing harm against kids or society, biblical prohibition or immorality, it applies far more to divorce than gay marriage.

    Even if gay marriage was legalised, and proven to be harmful, it could not match the harm caused by divorce on sheer scale.
    To me, both problems stem from confusion about the very nature of marriage.

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    Re: 'Gay' columnist blasts same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    To me, both problems stem from confusion about the very nature of marriage.
    What do you believe the purpose of marriage to be?
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    Re: 'Gay' columnist blasts same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    What do you believe the purpose of marriage to be?
    Mutual enrichment, love, and the bearing and raising of children by both parents.

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    Re: 'Gay' columnist blasts same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Mutual enrichment, love, and the bearing and raising of children by both parents.
    Do you believe those things should define who is excluded from marrying?
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    Re: 'Gay' columnist blasts same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    Do you believe those things should define who is excluded from marrying?
    Personally yes; should the government have a role in it, no.

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    Re: 'Gay' columnist blasts same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Sure, there are children missing, but this is the study with the largest sample size and most controlled variables. I see no way that the other studies are superior. If you want to look at a certain subset of gay parents, say those who raise children from childhood, go ahead and do it, but it's much rarer than widely believed.
    The large sample size is pretty irrelevant when the study itself is so methodologically flawed that it makes it's result invalid.
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    Re: 'Gay' columnist blasts same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Thus the larger the sample size the better.
    No. A sample that is appropriate and has as few flaws as possible is best.

    That's garbage. If you don't ask the adults then you have no idea how the kids actually turn out.
    No, THAT'S garbage. You don't ask an adult to determine how a kid feels. You ask the kid.

    Are you going to say that this was not objective and that the opinion of the children doesn't matter?
    I didn't say that.

    Not as well as this study.
    No, the study you posted is garbage.



    No CC, this is the best research on the issue, and you instead choose to follow studies that throw out parents and have tiny sample sizes.

    https://chronicle.com/article/An-Aca...-da-F-/133107/
    No, phattonez, the Regnerus study is just another in a long line of garbage studies that follow the anti-gay agenda to a tee. You choose to follow them, too, solely because of your agenda. Regnerus has been shown to be non-credible. Even HE said it as did the body that governs his profession.

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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    Re: 'Gay' columnist blasts same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    I pointed out plenty of flaws, you just ignored them because you liked the conclusions of the other studies.
    You pointed out no flaws that were credible. Your inability to acknowledge this is because of your bias.

    What's funny is that these other papers are objectively worse and not nearly as vilified as the Regnerus study. How telling.
    No, what's funny is that you are standing by the Regnerus study even though it has been discredited by nearly everyone, including the ASA. Even HE has distanced himself from it. You so desperately want your morality to have some credibility that you will latch onto debunked studies to support it. Now THAT'S funny.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    Re: 'Gay' columnist blasts same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by mfriedmanrocks View Post
    Yeah I guess, I mean Im neither here nor there on the issue. Obviously if there is a kid going from foster home to foster home and an honest gay couple want to adopt I don't see a problem. I just think that ideal circumstances for a kid are to have a mother and a father. But as i said, doesn't mean a child can't be raised properly in any other environment
    Ideal circumstances for a child concerning their raising would include a lot depending on whose ideals specifically they are. For many, ideally both parents would be biological parents, never in trouble with the law, college degrees, 115+ IQs, steady job(s), already have a house and two well taken care of vehicles, late 20s or 30s, taken all the parenting classes, preferably have family, including living, married parents, relatively similar social, religious, and family backgrounds to avoid serious problems with those issues within their marriage, and so many more traits that could be "ideal". Of course this depends again on the person giving out their "ideals" since some people would say lots of children close together is best with extended family hugely involved while others believe that only children who have little contact with extended family is ideal. Plus there is the individual personalities of the parents and ensuring that those personalities do not clash.

    There is a reason that the argument "ideally children should have a mother and a father" fails completely because ideals when it comes to such things are completely unrealistic and individual opinions, and therefore pointless.
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    Re: 'Gay' columnist blasts same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    To me, both problems stem from confusion about the very nature of marriage.
    Completely personal opinion. Marriage is a legal contract to protect the spouses within a marriage. At least that is what legal marriage is. Personal marriage is whatever people want it to be.
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