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    Re: 'Gay' columnist blasts same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Amandi View Post
    Seperate but equal is never equal. I dont see any difference besides the genders of the participants between the two. I dont think anything should legally be different because of genders.
    Traditionally, marriage has been between a man and a woman. Why would a non-traditional couple need a traditional marriage?
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    Re: 'Gay' columnist blasts same-sex marriage

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    Traditionally, marriage has been between a man and a woman. Why would a non-traditional couple need a traditional marriage?
    To have the same rights.

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    Re: 'Gay' columnist blasts same-sex marriage

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    Separate but equal has merit, however if it's something different, doesn't it deserve it's own institution?
    How is it different?

    Marriage has had different definitions before, even in this country. Should we have called bi-racial marriage something different? Was polygamy not 'marriage?

    So those involved race and multiple individuals. WHy cant the definition include same gender as well? Is gender different/better/worse than race or more people?
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    Re: 'Gay' columnist blasts same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Traditionally, marriage has been between a man and a woman. Why would a non-traditional couple need a traditional marriage?
    Gay couples dont necessarily consider themselves 'non-traditional'. That is a label others usually apply.

    "marriage" means the same thing to them. "traditional" marriage.
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    Re: 'Gay' columnist blasts same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    There you go overgeneralizing again. I've always been in support of civil unions.
    "In support of" and "not opposed to" are different things. If you support something then you go out of your way to advocate for it and politically support only those who share the same position. Whereas if you are simply not opposed to something then you are willing to suggest it as an alternative but you do not really care if it is instituted or not and you do not go out of your way to push for it or support those who do.

    Nothing you have ever posted on this forum leads me to believe you support civil unions or any gay rights. But you could easily prove me wrong. Start a thread right now advocating that your conservative brethren repeal all state bans against civil unions and I will believe you support them and are not just simply lacking in opposition to them.

    If you cannot do that much then you have proven exactly why civil unions are not a real option and they serve only as a distraction.
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    Re: 'Gay' columnist blasts same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Traditionally, marriage has been between a man and a woman. Why would a non-traditional couple need a traditional marriage?
    Traditionally, marriage was between a man and a woman of the SAME race. Should interracial marriage been called something else besides "marriage" like "bi-racial union"?

    Things change, definitions change.

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    Re: 'Gay' columnist blasts same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    "In support of" and "not opposed to" are different things. If you support something then you go out of your way to advocate for it and politically support only those who share the same position. Whereas if you are simply not opposed to something then you are willing to suggest it as an alternative but you do not really care if it is instituted or not and you do not go out of your way to push for it or support those who do.

    Nothing you have ever posted on this forum leads me to believe you support civil unions or any gay rights. But you could easily prove me wrong. Start a thread right now advocating that your conservative brethren repeal all state bans against civil unions and I will believe you support them and are not just simply lacking in opposition to them.

    If you cannot do that much then you have proven exactly why civil unions are not a real option and they serve only as a distraction.
    Well, at risk of not impressing you, I'm not going to go out of my way to impress you.

    I've repeatedly said I support civil unions, have never argued against them and have never not voted for someone solely based on their support of civil unions. I have discussed support of civil unions at local political meetings...both Democrat and Republican. So, beleive what you like. It's my opinion that regardless of your personal opinion on gay marriage, there is nothing in the constitution that bans any two consenting people from entering into a marriage-like relationship.
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    Re: 'Gay' columnist blasts same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Traditionally, marriage was between a man and a woman of the SAME race. Should interracial marriage been called something else besides "marriage" like "bi-racial union"?

    Things change, definitions change.
    Interracial marriages are as old as the hills. It is only for a brief period, mainly in the US, where interracial marriage was a particular concern.
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    Re: 'Gay' columnist blasts same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    How is it different?

    Marriage has had different definitions before, even in this country. Should we have called bi-racial marriage something different? Was polygamy not 'marriage?

    So those involved race and multiple individuals. WHy cant the definition include same gender as well? Is gender different/better/worse than race or more people?
    There are very few instances in the history of human civilization where same sex marriages were legally sanctioned. And for the most part, where they were, it was for a very brief time.
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    Re: 'Gay' columnist blasts same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Interracial marriages are as old as the hills. It is only for a brief period, mainly in the US, where interracial marriage was a particular concern.
    You'll have to show where interracial marriages are as old as the hills. Also, you'll have to show why the state should have a stake in making gay marriage illegal. And please don't say it's for the children, gays can raise children WITHOUT being married.

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