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    Re: The Truth about Navigators

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Evening Middleground, no ****ing kidding going on and if you want to see who has really been deceived, look in a mirror.

    This damn thing is worse than a train wreck filled with corruption and deceit. Some in the Republican party want to just let it implode on its own thinking it would be a political advantage to do so. I don't want to see more people get hurt by allowing this boondoggle to continue and would like to see it shut down before more people lose their coverage or risk having their privacy hacked. Even you.
    Seems many were all for letting it implode about a month ago when Cruz was trying to do something about this ****up. Cruz was crucified for trying to stop the start of this program or trying to delay it. Now all of a sudden we care so much we're willing to save the Democrats from disaster. They wouldn't do the same I can tell you that. If it weren't for elections, the Left would support the thing 100% regardless of how screwed up it is. It is about winning politically, not solving problems. They are already implying the states are screwing this up, because this site was suppose to be just a "portal" to state exchanges, AND not meant to handle the web traffic. Sounds like a setup for failure, so single payer can be implemented. But there are Dem senators up for re-election in 2014 that are pushing Reid to do something. Some even considering teaming up with Republicans if Reid/Obama don't fix this. Frankly, at this point, I'm for beating the Democratic Party to death with this POS, because they voted it into law with a Democrat Congress (with tons of side deals) to ram collectivist healthcare down our throats. They had to bribe their own members to get this through, and now they want a break to help them get through an election. I say hell no! In fact this is one of the handful of issues that led to the creation of the Tea Party Movement, and the 2010 mid-term election results.
    The Democrats have done two things related to this law that I consider cardinal sins, 1) created a law not in my view part of the federal duties under the Constitution, and 2) create a corrupt system based on this law that doesn't do any of the things this law was suppose to do. Roberts found this POS constitutional based on taxing power, and no other reason. Consequently it's justified as nothing more than a money grab, and has no other benefit whatsoever constitutionally.
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    Re: The Truth about Navigators

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Seems many were all for letting it implode about a month ago when Cruz was trying to do something about this ****up. Cruz was crucified for trying to stop the start of this program or trying to delay it. Now all of a sudden we care so much we're willing to save the Democrats from disaster. They wouldn't do the same I can tell you that. If it weren't for elections, the Left would support the thing 100% regardless of how screwed up it is. It is about winning politically, not solving problems. They are already implying the states are screwing this up, because this site was suppose to be just a "portal" to state exchanges, AND not meant to handle the web traffic. Sounds like a setup for failure, so single payer can be implemented. But there are Dem senators up for re-election in 2014 that are pushing Reid to do something. Some even considering teaming up with Republicans if Reid/Obama don't fix this. Frankly, at this point, I'm for beating the Democratic Party to death with this POS, because they voted it into law with a Democrat Congress (with tons of side deals) to ram collectivist healthcare down our throats. They had to bribe their own members to get this through, and now they want a break to help them get through an election. I say hell no! In fact this is one of the handful of issues that led to the creation of the Tea Party Movement, and the 2010 mid-term election results.
    The Democrats have done two things related to this law that I consider cardinal sins, 1) created a law not in my view part of the federal duties under the Constitution, and 2) create a corrupt system based on this law that doesn't do any of the things this law was suppose to do. Roberts found this POS constitutional based on taxing power, and no other reason. Consequently it's justified as nothing more than a money grab, and has no other benefit whatsoever constitutionally.
    Good morning American,

    Yep those who stuck their necks out to fight this thing asking for repeal, defunding, delay were hammered for it in the media, from the left and the Republican establishment.

    On a national level I whole heartedly agree with you let the Democrats own this one. But on a local level where I see people losing their insurance and seeing them strapped with higher premiums, I am urging that something be done immediately to stop it. I want this thing repealed. Not every citizen that is paying the price supported or voted for this mess. I don't much care for what is going on with new legislation that Sen. Upton (R) has offered. It doesn't address the real issues and gives the Democrats wiggle room to blame this failure on the insurance companies which is bogus.

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    Re: The Truth about Navigators

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    I saw Rand Paul being interviewed last night and he stated that
    every Senator knew that the mandates in the healthcare bill were going to cause millions of people to lose their insurance policies.
    There was a debate over this in the Senate to change that part of the bill so it would not happen and the issue was brought to the floor for a vote. Every Democrat voted to keep things just the way they are with full knowledge this was going to happen. In other words the bill was designed to do just that. It's unfortunate there are a lot of voters who make political judgments on issues on 15 second sound-bites.
    Not just the Senators, but maybe you heard about the Obama summit with Congresspeople where he replied to an Eric Cantor question that, yes, millions would lose what they have and then get new policies on his exchanges ... and that summit was in 2010 ... it was captured on video ... I can't understand why stuff like that wasn't known countrywide in October.

    As for criticism of Ted Cruz and Mike Lee and the TP, if it wasn't for them, the Republicans wouldn't be so heavily associated with trying to stop Obamacare and the Democrat Party with trying to save it, Country be damned ... and that association will be a good thing.

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    Re: The Truth about Navigators

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    I saw Rand Paul being interviewed last night and he stated that every Senator knew that the mandates in the healthcare bill were going to cause millions of people to lose their insurance policies. There was a debate over this in the Senate to change that part of the bill so it would not happen and the issue was brought to the floor for a vote. Every Democrat voted to keep things just the way they are with full knowledge this was going to happen. In other words the bill was designed to do just that. It's unfortunate there are a lot of voters who make political judgments on issues on 15 second sound-bites.
    This HAS to work that way. People have to be forced into participating with this debacle, otherwise it fails miserably. The rhetoric ahs gone from "you can keep your healthcare" to "hey...we were doing you a favor cancelling your healthcare". The administration apologista dont care that everyone was lied to, they care about protecting the legacy.

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    Re: The Truth about Navigators

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Good morning American,

    Yep those who stuck their necks out to fight this thing asking for repeal, defunding, delay were hammered for it in the media, from the left and the Republican establishment.

    On a national level I whole heartedly agree with you let the Democrats own this one. But on a local level where I see people losing their insurance and seeing them strapped with higher premiums, I am urging that something be done immediately to stop it. I want this thing repealed. Not every citizen that is paying the price supported or voted for this mess. I don't much care for what is going on with new legislation that Sen. Upton (R) has offered. It doesn't address the real issues and gives the Democrats wiggle room to blame this failure on the insurance companies which is bogus.
    The House voted 40 times to repeal it. Harry has quite a few versions to select from.

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    Re: The Truth about Navigators

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    I think it was before Obamacare was passed.
    I found it.

    U.S. Senate: Legislation & Records Home > Votes > Roll Call Vote

    It was a straight party line vote.

    Democrats voted down Republican's proposed resolution S.J.Res. 39 that was designed to insure folks got to keep their current coverage. It really shows the hypocrisy of those Democrats now proposing new fixes to the problem when they knew all along it was going to happen

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    Re: The Truth about Navigators

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Good morning American,

    Yep those who stuck their necks out to fight this thing asking for repeal, defunding, delay were hammered for it in the media, from the left and the Republican establishment.

    On a national level I whole heartedly agree with you let the Democrats own this one. But on a local level where I see people losing their insurance and seeing them strapped with higher premiums, I am urging that something be done immediately to stop it.
    I want this thing repealed
    . Not every citizen that is paying the price supported or voted for this mess. I don't much care for what is going on with new legislation that Sen. Upton (R) has offered. It doesn't address the real issues and gives the Democrats wiggle room to blame this failure on the insurance companies which is bogus.
    No kidding. But here's the thing ... Obama is a relentless Leftist ideologue. They have no problem with lying to achieve a goal.
    I'm sure he wishes he didn't have to ride over this speedbump but don't kid yourself ... he's content to keep going this way as long as in the end he will preside(nt) over this massive Government power grab.
    As long as Obamacare gets a foothold it's a done deal forever and that's what he's going for ... as for general acceptance by citizens over time, think of it this way ... the way Obama does



    It's the goal that matters ... a repeal would have to pass over his veto.

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    Re: The Truth about Navigators

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Good morning American,

    Yep those who stuck their necks out to fight this thing asking for repeal, defunding, delay were hammered for it in the media, from the left and the Republican establishment.

    On a national level I whole heartedly agree with you let the Democrats own this one. But on a local level where I see people losing their insurance and seeing them strapped with higher premiums, I am urging that something be done immediately to stop it. I want this thing repealed. Not every citizen that is paying the price supported or voted for this mess. I don't much care for what is going on with new legislation that Sen. Upton (R) has offered. It doesn't address the real issues and gives the Democrats wiggle room to blame this failure on the insurance companies which is bogus.
    Right now Obama is gettinng plenty of blame for breaking his promise. And he needs to continue getting the blame, because he's an arrogant, lying, social justice-pushing bastard. I hope (as I've been lambasted in another thread for that) this is a total disaster, and goes down in his legacy as such. And I hope the American people learn a lesson from this, as an example of how not to maintain liberty or a constutitional govt. In reality, the Republicans will **** this up, and try to save the Democrats.
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    Re: The Truth about Navigators

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    The House voted 40 times to repeal it. Harry has quite a few versions to select from.
    Some are claiming this thing will be repealed long before the 2014 elections. One can only hope. The sooner the better.

    FORBES: ObamaCare Will Be Repealed Well In Advance Of The 2014 Elections - Fox Nation

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    Re: The Truth about Navigators

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Some are claiming this thing will be repealed long before the 2014 elections. One can only hope. The sooner the better.

    FORBES: ObamaCare Will Be Repealed Well In Advance Of The 2014 Elections - Fox Nation
    Good article. Thanks.

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