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Texas Scientists Given Green Light To Use Sex Offenders For Medical Research

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(Sutton County, TX) – Hundreds of violent and predatory sex offenders are being transferred from multiple correctional facilities all over Texas to a specialized medical research facility where they will spend the rest of their lives being used as subjects in medical experimentation and testing.

In a bold move Texas congress passed a bill in early October to give researchers permission to use the most violent, predatory, repeat sex offenders as the first human subjects who will be used in more cutting edge clinical inquiries.
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First of all, I don't know how accurate this report is, but if it is true, then we have a problem here. Yes, child molesters and other sex predators are the scum of the earth but, as despicable as these people are, we still have a Constitution that forbids cruel and unusual punishment, even for scum like this.

Castrate 'em? I'm OK with that. But to force them into medical experiments is beyond anything that could even be considered remotely civilized. Are we a nation of laws, or a nation of savages? That, my friends, is the 64 thousand dollar question. Yes, revenge is nice. I would love those punks to suffer immensely, but what price am I willing to pay for that? The loss of my own humanity? My answer to that question is a resounding NO!!

Finally, while evaluating this thread, consider the source, as to whether this is really true or not. But either way, this is a very interesting question, and I am sure that we are going to get some very interesting answers in this thread. So what say you?

Article is here.
 
danarhea said:
First of all, I don't know how accurate this report is, but if it is true, then we have a problem here. Yes, child molesters and other sex predators are the scum of the earth but, as despicable as these people are, we still have a Constitution that forbids cruel and unusual punishment, even for scum like this.

Castrate 'em? I'm OK with that. But to force them into medical experiments is beyond anything that could even be considered remotely civilized. Are we a nation of laws, or a nation of savages? That, my friends, is the 64 thousand dollar question. Yes, revenge is nice. I would love those punks to suffer immensely, but what price am I willing to pay for that? The loss of my own humanity? My answer to that question is a resounding NO!!

Finally, while evaluating this thread, consider the source, as to whether this is really true or not. But either way, this is a very interesting question, and I am sure that we are going to get some very interesting answers in this thread. So what say you?

Article is here.
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- See more at: Texas Scientists Given Green Light To Use Sex Offenders For Medical Research | Jane M. Agni | National Report
 
FWIW, Aside from putting these criminals to death, I would give them the option of participating in experiments such as these.

Now what the PTB do with this knowledge is another story altogether. Not really in favor of DNA manipulation.

IIRC the general consensus is sexual predators can not be cured.
 
danarhea said:
I just read the Snopes article. Looks like I just got punked again. LOL.

But it's still an interesting question. Who would support this?
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You could probably do it as a volunteer program.
You would be surprised what people will volunteer for if they have nothing else to do.
 
danarhea said:
Castrate 'em? I'm OK with that. But to force them into medical experiments is beyond anything that could even be considered remotely civilized. Are we a nation of laws, or a nation of savages?
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So castrating them is fine and not acting like a savage at all, but putting them through medical experiments is savage behavior? Sorry, but WHAT?
 
longview said:
You could probably do it as a volunteer program.
You would be surprised what people will volunteer for if they have nothing else to do.
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Exploiting desperation is what you call that.
 
For the record, I would support the use of child molesters for ammunition testing and tissue damage certification.
 
Henrin said:
Exploiting desperation is what you call that.
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You may call it whatever you like, if they volunteer, they volunteer.
Something in the violent sex offender's decision tree is broken.
If they could participate in a program that might limit future violent sex offenses,
it may add some small symbol of value to their lives.
 
I could care less what they do to sex offenders and I could care less about Texas.

Popcorn anyone?
 
Cruel and unusual are highly subjective.

I can't remember the topic but SCOTUS ruled something weird was OK because it was "usual".

Those who have physically harmed others, not only children, in a cruel and unusual ,sanner are up for grabs as far as I'm concerned. I mean DIRECT harm, not drug sales or fraud.

In some cases, prison is cruel. Stupidly, we refuse to use caning, or shaming as an alternative because the are "cruel and unusual". How stupid. There are viable alternatives to locking some people up for decades but we won't use them. What a silly policy.

I don't mind "rewarding" prisoners for extra contributions though. Bigger cells, better food, maybe early release (depending). Maybe a nicer prison like the Federal Golf Clubs for billionaires who get busted insider trading. Medical advances and better gold handicaps! I'm a genius:roll:
 
This article is a joke. Note the wording of "costs millions to persecute..." and other clues about how these "scum" are described.

See link: snopes.com: Texas Scientists Given Green Light to Use Sex Offenders for Medical Research

That aside, it would be likely be possible to get prisoner volunteers to do this. I doubt that anyone would take the risk of these folks escaping but the prison situation, if left in general population, for sex offenders is not good. I would imagine that using non-violent prisoners as volunteers, perhaps in exchange for added "good time" towards their parole date would be possible.
 
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longview said:
You may call it whatever you like, if they volunteer, they volunteer.
Something in the violent sex offender's decision tree is broken.
If they could participate in a program that might limit future violent sex offenses,
it may add some small symbol of value to their lives.
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You can exploit the desperate just fine and have them volunteer for it. Your so called excuse runs counter to the consensus on the topic, but even if it didn't, that is still no excuse to exploit prisoners.
 
Henrin said:
So castrating them is fine and not acting like a savage at all, but putting them through medical experiments is savage behavior? Sorry, but WHAT?
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Does not happen often, but I thought the same thing when I read that.
 
longview said:
You may call it whatever you like, if they volunteer, they volunteer.
Something in the violent sex offender's decision tree is broken.
If they could participate in a program that might limit future violent sex offenses,
it may add some small symbol of value to their lives.
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Man so many places to go on this one. I would support legitimate verifiable medical research I would not support psychological testing, nor would I pin any policy decisions on the results of psychological conclusions. Hell if I had it my way I wouldn't even allow psychological expert testimony in a court of law. It's that speculative and unscientific.


Tim-
 
danarhea said:
I just read the Snopes article. Looks like I just got punked again. LOL.

But it's still an interesting question. Who would support this?
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support it? no
use it as an option? yes

personally i support the death penalty be extended to these types of offenders more often and instead of death or life id be ok with this being an option i guess.

Be awesome to bring back public stoning and castration for these monsters though :)
 
Hmmm...if its to solely study the psychology of sexual predators....might be a good idea.
 
Henrin said:
You can exploit the desperate just fine and have them volunteer for it. Your so called excuse runs counter to the consensus on the topic, but even if it didn't, that is still no excuse to exploit prisoners.
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Who are we to question what motivates someone to do something.
Houston is full of drug trials, they are always looking for and getting volunteers.
Why should we exclude people in prison from volunteering for something, especially
if they form a unique test group.
As long as no coercion is used, they should be allowed to volunteer.
 
Hicup said:
Man so many places to go on this one. I would support legitimate verifiable medical research I would not support psychological testing, nor would I pin any policy decisions on the results of psychological conclusions. Hell if I had it my way I wouldn't even allow psychological expert testimony in a court of law. It's that speculative and unscientific.


Tim-
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I think the original article was a hoax, but aside from that, I thought they were
talking about chemical drug test, not talking about their perversions.
 
longview said:
Who are we to question what motivates someone to do something.
Houston is full of drug trials, they are always looking for and getting volunteers.
Why should we exclude people in prison from volunteering for something, especially
if they form a unique test group.
As long as no coercion is used, they should be allowed to volunteer.
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Sorry, but what makes you think you can compare volunteers gained through the general population and volunteers gained by people that spend their days in a cage? Furthermore, what makes you think that just because someone might agree that your action is fine? Your argument is as stupid as those people that say we should offer inmates the choice of being physically or chemically castrated and because it's a choice our actions would be ethically fine. Sorry, but that is not how it works.
 
danarhea said:
First of all, I don't know how accurate this report is, but if it is true, then we have a problem here. Yes, child molesters and other sex predators are the scum of the earth but, as despicable as these people are, we still have a Constitution that forbids cruel and unusual punishment, even for scum like this.

Castrate 'em? I'm OK with that. But to force them into medical experiments is beyond anything that could even be considered remotely civilized. Are we a nation of laws, or a nation of savages? That, my friends, is the 64 thousand dollar question. Yes, revenge is nice. I would love those punks to suffer immensely, but what price am I willing to pay for that? The loss of my own humanity? My answer to that question is a resounding NO!!

Finally, while evaluating this thread, consider the source, as to whether this is really true or not. But either way, this is a very interesting question, and I am sure that we are going to get some very interesting answers in this thread. So what say you?

Article is here.
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Depends on if it is voluntary or not. If they are told they can voluntarily have these experiments performed on them with the caveat of having better living conditions or something like that, I say go ahead. Why not?
 
danarhea said:
Who would support this?
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It would certainly be struck down by the Supreme Court as cruel and unusual punishment if the medical experimentation is involuntary. I'd still support it just as I support labor camps.
 
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