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    Re: Texas Scientists Given Green Light To Use Sex Offenders For Medical Research

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    You can exploit the desperate just fine and have them volunteer for it. Your so called excuse runs counter to the consensus on the topic, but even if it didn't, that is still no excuse to exploit prisoners.
    Who are we to question what motivates someone to do something.
    Houston is full of drug trials, they are always looking for and getting volunteers.
    Why should we exclude people in prison from volunteering for something, especially
    if they form a unique test group.
    As long as no coercion is used, they should be allowed to volunteer.

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    Re: Texas Scientists Given Green Light To Use Sex Offenders For Medical Research

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Man so many places to go on this one. I would support legitimate verifiable medical research I would not support psychological testing, nor would I pin any policy decisions on the results of psychological conclusions. Hell if I had it my way I wouldn't even allow psychological expert testimony in a court of law. It's that speculative and unscientific.


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    Re: Texas Scientists Given Green Light To Use Sex Offenders For Medical Research

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    Who are we to question what motivates someone to do something.
    Houston is full of drug trials, they are always looking for and getting volunteers.
    Why should we exclude people in prison from volunteering for something, especially
    if they form a unique test group.
    As long as no coercion is used, they should be allowed to volunteer.
    Sorry, but what makes you think you can compare volunteers gained through the general population and volunteers gained by people that spend their days in a cage? Furthermore, what makes you think that just because someone might agree that your action is fine? Your argument is as stupid as those people that say we should offer inmates the choice of being physically or chemically castrated and because it's a choice our actions would be ethically fine. Sorry, but that is not how it works.

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    Re: Texas Scientists Given Green Light To Use Sex Offenders For Medical Research

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    First of all, I don't know how accurate this report is, but if it is true, then we have a problem here. Yes, child molesters and other sex predators are the scum of the earth but, as despicable as these people are, we still have a Constitution that forbids cruel and unusual punishment, even for scum like this.

    Castrate 'em? I'm OK with that. But to force them into medical experiments is beyond anything that could even be considered remotely civilized. Are we a nation of laws, or a nation of savages? That, my friends, is the 64 thousand dollar question. Yes, revenge is nice. I would love those punks to suffer immensely, but what price am I willing to pay for that? The loss of my own humanity? My answer to that question is a resounding NO!!

    Finally, while evaluating this thread, consider the source, as to whether this is really true or not. But either way, this is a very interesting question, and I am sure that we are going to get some very interesting answers in this thread. So what say you?

    Article is here.
    Depends on if it is voluntary or not. If they are told they can voluntarily have these experiments performed on them with the caveat of having better living conditions or something like that, I say go ahead. Why not?
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    Re: Texas Scientists Given Green Light To Use Sex Offenders For Medical Research

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Who would support this?
    It would certainly be struck down by the Supreme Court as cruel and unusual punishment if the medical experimentation is involuntary. I'd still support it just as I support labor camps.

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    Re: Texas Scientists Given Green Light To Use Sex Offenders For Medical Research

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    First of all, I don't know how accurate this report is, but if it is true, then we have a problem here. Yes, child molesters and other sex predators are the scum of the earth but, as despicable as these people are, we still have a Constitution that forbids cruel and unusual punishment, even for scum like this.

    Castrate 'em? I'm OK with that. But to force them into medical experiments is beyond anything that could even be considered remotely civilized. Are we a nation of laws, or a nation of savages? That, my friends, is the 64 thousand dollar question. Yes, revenge is nice. I would love those punks to suffer immensely, but what price am I willing to pay for that? The loss of my own humanity? My answer to that question is a resounding NO!!

    Finally, while evaluating this thread, consider the source, as to whether this is really true or not. But either way, this is a very interesting question, and I am sure that we are going to get some very interesting answers in this thread. So what say you?

    Article is here.
    I most certainly hope the article is fake. Unless the prisoners volunteer for such experimentation, it would be completely unconstitutional. Dr. Mengele anybody. I doubt any self respecting researcher would go to work at such a facility.
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    Re: Texas Scientists Given Green Light To Use Sex Offenders For Medical Research

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    This article is a joke. Note the wording of "costs millions to persecute..." and other clues about how these "scum" are described.

    See link: snopes.com: Texas Scientists Given Green Light to Use Sex Offenders for Medical Research

    That aside, it would be likely be possible to get prisoner volunteers to do this. I doubt that anyone would take the risk of these folks escaping but the prison situation, if left in general population, for sex offenders is not good. I would imagine that using non-violent prisoners as volunteers, perhaps in exchange for added "good time" towards their parole date would be possible.
    If it was me I would offer it to those sentenced to death or to life without parole first. Then go down the list. Non violent offenders would be last. I would also sweeten the pot for the volunteers if they take on particularly disfiguring or dangerous experiments. No active recruiting just put a notice out and full disclosure of exactly what may happen.
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    Re: Texas Scientists Given Green Light To Use Sex Offenders For Medical Research

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    support it? no
    use it as an option? yes

    personally i support the death penalty be extended to these types of offenders more often and instead of death or life id be ok with this being an option i guess.

    Be awesome to bring back public stoning and castration for these monsters though
    Personally I am against the death penalty. I am however perfectly fine with giving said convict a honorable way out by handing them a knife at the end of sentencing and allowing them to take their own life. If they didn't want to do that they could decide to participate in experiments, and earn redemption that away. Otherwise warehousing them till they die is perfectly acceptable to me. I just believe that humans in prison ought to be given the opportunity to redeem themselves via participating in very dangerous and debilitating experiments and other necessary actions like say entering hot radiological zones to do something that needs doing. I would make it completely voluntary and unrecruited.
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    Re: Texas Scientists Given Green Light To Use Sex Offenders For Medical Research

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    1.)Personally I am against the death penalty.
    2.) I am however perfectly fine with giving said convict a honorable way out by handing them a knife at the end of sentencing and allowing them to take their own life.
    3.) If they didn't want to do that they could decide to participate in experiments, and earn redemption that away.
    4.) Otherwise warehousing them till they die is perfectly acceptable to me.
    5.) I just believe that humans in prison ought to be given the opportunity to redeem themselves via participating in very dangerous and debilitating experiments and other necessary actions like say entering hot radiological zones to do something that needs doing.
    6.) I would make it completely voluntary and unrecruited.
    1.) no biggie, to each their own but im definitely for it, im in favor of expanding the option more uniformly actually to child molestation and rape.
    2.) also im fine with this too, in fact i dont see a reason to put these guys on suicide watch
    3.) I agree with this
    4.) im not against life in prison just definitely think death penalty should be an option for some crimes and I hate the idea that at time criminals live better than free people and even soldiers at time as far as shelter and food goes
    5.) im fine with that too
    6.) i would do the same
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    Re: Texas Scientists Given Green Light To Use Sex Offenders For Medical Research

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Finally, while evaluating this thread, consider the source, as to whether this is really true or not.
    Here's what the Wikipedia has to say about this source:

    National Report (nationalreport.net) is a satirical website devoted to often subtle parodies of real news which convince the unwary. It is published by Allen Montgomery.

    Among headline-generating spoofs are a report that Arizona's governor Jan Brewer intended to introduce mandatory gay-to-straight conversion courses into the state's public school system, and a report that fooled researchers at Fox News Channel, in which the President was purported to have announced his intention to spend his own money to keep a Muslim museum open during a government shutdown. Another report that fooled people in Wyoming claimed that a man in Hanna, Wyoming was the first recipient of a RFID chip which, the report claimed, was part of an Obamacare pilot program. A report published by National Report on November 2, 2013 claiming a fictitious Assam Rape Festival created a furore [sic] in Indian national media.

    The actual Wikipedia article is in poor shape, at this point, but it does link to some good sources that pretty much confirm the gist of it. I happened to have occasion to look this up earlier, because elsewhere, I'd seen a link to the “Assam Rape Festival” story, and following links from there to other stories on the same site led me to wonder about the nature of this site as a whole.
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