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    Re: Gallup: 76% Of Americans Support A Minimum Wage Increase

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Raising the minimum wage is good because the money is immediately spent boosting the economy plus there is little evidence it lowers employment levels. Of course conservatives will come up with anecdotal evidence trying to prove their point, but whenever the minimum wage is raised in Oregon employment isn't hurt.
    Considering that about half of americans are on the government tit, who cares? The vast majority (like yourself) have no concept of how such increases hurt everyone across the board and do NOT have the positive effect that is often claimed.
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    Re: Gallup: 76% Of Americans Support A Minimum Wage Increase

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Not true, the selling price of items is mostly controlled by supply and demand.
    Not really. In a high-competition market, that might be true. In the current market, companies will balance price against sales. They will keep the price as high as they can without significantly reducing sales. And that is on normal goods. Take something like gasoline, where about 75% of the price is actually taxes by state and federal agencies, it is far less of a factor.
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    Re: Gallup: 76% Of Americans Support A Minimum Wage Increase

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Raising the minimum wage is good because the money is immediately spent boosting the economy plus there is little evidence it lowers employment levels. Of course conservatives will come up with anecdotal evidence trying to prove their point, but whenever the minimum wage is raised in Oregon employment isn't hurt.
    Poor example. Try doing your comparison in a state where the employment situation isn't already totally in the crapper. Also, imagine what your states employment rate would look like if they did what the rest of America did and allow self-service gasoline.
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    Re: Gallup: 76% Of Americans Support A Minimum Wage Increase

    First of all, calling me "far right" is a clear demonstration of your..."intelligence".

    Second, I would treat anyone with scorn and ridicule when they think that they can spend my money better than I can. If you make minimum wage, there is a clear, defined, market-based reason why. All else is just blind ideology, wishful thinking, and jealousy.

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    Re: Gallup: 76% Of Americans Support A Minimum Wage Increase

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    First of all, calling me "far right" is a clear demonstration of your..."intelligence".

    Second, I would treat anyone with scorn and ridicule when they think that they can spend my money better than I can. If you make minimum wage, there is a clear, defined, market-based reason why. All else is just blind ideology, wishful thinking, and jealousy.
    Uh, just out of curiosity, to whom are you speaking?
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    Re: Gallup: 76% Of Americans Support A Minimum Wage Increase

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Uh, just out of curiosity, to whom are you speaking?
    Whoops...it was to haymarket. Could've sworn I hit the "reply with quote" button. My bad.

    Next time you see him, tell him I said all that.

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    Re: Gallup: 76% Of Americans Support A Minimum Wage Increase

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Whoops...it was to haymarket. Could've sworn I hit the "reply with quote" button. My bad.

    Next time you see him, tell him I said all that.
    Ok, but why would I want to talk to haymarket anymore than any other sensible intelligent person would?
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    Re: Gallup: 76% Of Americans Support A Minimum Wage Increase

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Millions of people have come here illegally, with very little education and poor English speaking skills, yet they found work. You are very confused if you think that filled jobs are available. Having a surplus of "workers"? More likely a desire to replace some slackers. I think you meant to say that there is now a surplus of those that are not workers, that would be competing for every open position except that they have found that the dole makes working into an option.
    Umm, no. I am not interested in having American workers work as near slave labor. If that is what prosperity looks like to you, then there is no help for you.
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    Re: Gallup: 76% Of Americans Support A Minimum Wage Increase

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    Umm, no. I am not interested in having American workers work as near slave labor. If that is what prosperity looks like to you, then there is no help for you.
    If that is the position they create for themselves, why shouldn't they. I have no problems with it. At the rate we bleed off jobs and resources, it is not a matter of "if", it's a matter of "when" we all end up there.

    I just love your bleeding heart attitude also, don't want to see Americans doing it, but what the hell, it's ok for Mexicans, Chinese and everyone else in the world to do so. Other than luck of the draw at birth, what makes Americans so undeserving of having to live with their own choices but everyone else deserving?
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    Re: Gallup: 76% Of Americans Support A Minimum Wage Increase

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    First of all, calling me "far right" is a clear demonstration of your..."intelligence".

    Second, I would treat anyone with scorn and ridicule when they think that they can spend my money better than I can. If you make minimum wage, there is a clear, defined, market-based reason why. All else is just blind ideology, wishful thinking, and jealousy.
    There were clear defined market reason why the Roman Empire's economy disintegrated in the centuries leading up to the 5th. There are clear, defined market reasons for all economic developments. It's a statement on the equivalent of saying, "Homosexuality is unnatural."

    Libertarians have this notion that if somebody agrees to work for a sum of money that somebody else is willing to pay, then that necessarily means their labor is being paid at the appropriate value. Value in terms of a personal worth and self-judgment is definitely that subjective, but value in terms of a sustainable market is not. The "appropriate value" is the amount that sustains productivity over a long period of time, not what employers can get away with until the market comes out from under their feet (as during the Great Depression, the 2008 recession, and to some extent all previous Dark Ages of human history).
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