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    Re: Gallup: 76% Of Americans Support A Minimum Wage Increase

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    Re: Gallup: 76% Of Americans Support A Minimum Wage Increase

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    You give more money to low end wage earners they will likely put it right back into the community.
    And rich people don't buy food? They don't buy other consumer goods?

    If you give money to those who have not earned it, you not only hurt society, but have performed a grave injustice to the person who doesn't earn it.

    As the whole thread has to do with minimum wage increases, if you pay them more, everyone has to pay more.

    Interesting that with all this talk of raising minimum wage, I went into Lowes yesterday and they had added 4 self checkout stations and only had one maned station open. Yep, raising minimum wage is great, for those who produce and sell automation.
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    Re: Gallup: 76% Of Americans Support A Minimum Wage Increase

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    They will indeed.

    However, labor, like all goods and services, exists on a supply/demand curve.

    So, for example, let's say that MaxMart's current demand for checkout line clerks and baggers is 20 per shift at (keeping numbers easy) $5 an hour. That's $100 an hour back into the economy.

    But then we raise minimum wage to $10 an hour. Now MaxMart has to make some cost/benefit decisions, and so it invests in some self-checkout machines, and keeps the more talented / intelligent / capable workers, but no longer needs the rest. Now you have 8 per shift at $10 an hour. Net reduction to the local economy - $20 an hour. That's before you factor in the fact that now stuff at MaxMart costs more.
    Do they need double the amount of baggers? Really? (It is even funnier because we have to pay for bags here and folks frequently leave without their items even bagged)

    Now $5/hour leaves you square in government support land. Not really helpful. Now, you tell me that those $5/hour jobs have full medical/dental/vision no cost to the employee I might be ok with it. But given that Walmart (for at least 10 plus years)has done all they can to make sure their employees do get government support, I hardly think this is likely.

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    Re: Gallup: 76% Of Americans Support A Minimum Wage Increase

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    And rich people don't buy food? They don't buy other consumer goods?

    If you give money to those who have not earned it, you not only hurt society, but have performed a grave injustice to the person who doesn't earn it.

    As the whole thread has to do with minimum wage increases, if you pay them more, everyone has to pay more.

    Interesting that with all this talk of raising minimum wage, I went into Lowes yesterday and they had added 4 self checkout stations and only had one maned station open. Yep, raising minimum wage is great, for those who produce and sell automation.
    In terms of percentage of income, what you pay them goes right back into the economy.

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    Re: Gallup: 76% Of Americans Support A Minimum Wage Increase

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    How is that ability gained? Is the teaching to do those jobs free? If not, do the people who want the teaching have money to get it?

    In addition, if there are, let's say, 10 jobs available, 9 are filled, 1 is being advertised in the want ads, and there are 13 people who want jobs, it doesn't mean there is a job for all who want one. And yes, they still advertise jobs even when there is a surplus of workers.
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    Re: Gallup: 76% Of Americans Support A Minimum Wage Increase

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    How is that ability gained? Is the teaching to do those jobs free? If not, do the people who want the teaching have money to get it?

    In addition, if there are, let's say, 10 jobs available, 9 are filled, 1 is being advertised in the want ads, and there are 13 people who want jobs, it doesn't mean there is a job for all who want one. And yes, they still advertise jobs even when there is a surplus of workers.
    Millions of people have come here illegally, with very little education and poor English speaking skills, yet they found work. You are very confused if you think that filled jobs are available. Having a surplus of "workers"? More likely a desire to replace some slackers. I think you meant to say that there is now a surplus of those that are not workers, that would be competing for every open position except that they have found that the dole makes working into an option.
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    Re: Gallup: 76% Of Americans Support A Minimum Wage Increase

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    In terms of percentage of income, what you pay them goes right back into the economy.
    No ****. If you have to pay the same price for basics, then the person who makes less spends a higher percentage. That is hardly a measure of what someone contributes to society. The owners of Walmart spend a lesser percentage of their income for basics, and by your standards, they contribute less. I wonder, how much would that minimum wage earner contribute if Walmart didn't employ more than a million people? I consider creating and maintaining a million jobs as giving more to society than a person who spends 45% of their income for housing.
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    Re: Gallup: 76% Of Americans Support A Minimum Wage Increase

    I voted YES on the ballot initiative in NJ to increase the State minimum wage to $8.25 and tie it to inflation.

    I would have voted yes to increase it to anywhere up to $15 if I had been given the option.

    But here's the thing, the cost of living in NJ is among the highest in the nation.

    I don't think that folks in Tennessee or Georgia, states among those with the lowest cost of living in America, should be entitled to the same kind of minimum income.

    Because cost of living is so regional I think that this is really an issue that's best left up to the states.
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    Re: Gallup: 76% Of Americans Support A Minimum Wage Increase

    Minimum wage is not an easy issue, is it?
    On the one hand, most agree that people should be encouraged to go to work, and that workers should be better off than those who don't work.
    On the other hand, if you raise the minimum wage too high, jobs get eliminated and prices rise.
    On the one hand, a robust economy depends on consumers having enough money to purchase goods and services.
    On the other hand, too much money going to people who don't produce enough to justify their wage decreases employment and discourages hiring.
    On the one hand, low level workers need to improve job skills in order to be worth higher wages. On the other, college and vocational training are becoming more and more expensive.

    There really are no simple answers, are there?
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    Re: Gallup: 76% Of Americans Support A Minimum Wage Increase

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    Do they need double the amount of baggers? Really? (It is even funnier because we have to pay for bags here and folks frequently leave without their items even bagged)

    Now $5/hour leaves you square in government support land. Not really helpful. Now, you tell me that those $5/hour jobs have full medical/dental/vision no cost to the employee I might be ok with it. But given that Walmart (for at least 10 plus years)has done all they can to make sure their employees do get government support, I hardly think this is likely.
    If a company has the availability of a very large number of potential employees to work at $5 an hour jobs without full medical/dental/vision, then why should they pay for those things? Low wage, low skilled workers are all over the place and there are fewer jobs for them than there are people to fill those spots.

    I also love your example of the baggers. My local supermarket that I shop at doesn't charge for bags and it is a low wage, no benefits job. It has lots of bagpeople. Yours on the otherhand has people leaving without even using bags. Which creates more jobs?

    Instead of the emotional view point. Try looking at it from the companies. Many of us don't particularly like the way a company runs, but we have little to no choice about using them.

    I brought up Lowes previously for a very specific reason. I have family that works for them, one an assistant manager and the other a mid-level executive who until recently worked a corporate. Before the SCOTUS decision on Obama-doesn't-care and all the talk about raising minimum wage (and some states actually doing so). Those family members said the company was in the process of removing self-checkout from their stores. Now all the sudden, not only did they not remove them, they doubled the number available and reduced employees at the checkout counters by approximately 2/3. That particular store has reduced man-hours by approximately 66% in that department.

    By consolidating and automating, Walmart could easily reduce their labor force in their stores by 40% or more. The higher their labor costs become, it becomes more affordable and sensible to do so. Will customers dislike it? Sure, but what other options do they have? Like my dad says, "I don't like shopping at Walmart, but I cannot afford to shop anyplace else."
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