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    Re: 'We Shouldn't Be Putting Journalists in Jail': Fox News Reporter Faces Jail Time.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Probably not, since it would be basically inadmissible without knowing from where it was obtained. Any defense lawyer worth a damn would have that thrown out in a second.
    The notebook itself is apparently not in question. According to the video it was originally given to Holmes's shrink. Also according to the video the judge and defense attorney thinks that one of the police witnesses leaked the notebook to the reporter. Which indicates to me that they had already gotten the notebook from the shrink (probably via a warrant I'd imagine). Which also indicates that the journal that the reporter got ahold of was more than likely just a copy of that notebook as I'm pretty sure a cop wouldn't give her the original...particularly if he actually is biased as doing so would hurt the case they have against Holmes.

    What the judge and defense attorney are questioning is the credibility of one of the policemens witness testimony as leaking that notebook would apparently be an indicator of bias. That is why they want the reporter to name her source, to find out if one of those policemen are biased. Not to verify the validity of the notebook.
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    Re: 'We Shouldn't Be Putting Journalists in Jail': Fox News Reporter Faces Jail Time.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    The notebook itself is apparently not in question. According to the video it was originally given to Holmes's shrink. Also according to the video the judge and defense attorney thinks that one of the police witnesses leaked the notebook to the reporter. Which indicates to me that they had already gotten the notebook from the shrink (probably via a warrant I'd imagine). Which also indicates that the journal that the reporter got ahold of was more than likely just a copy of that notebook as I'm pretty sure a cop wouldn't give her the original...particularly if he actually is biased as doing so would hurt the case they have against Holmes.

    What the judge and defense attorney are questioning is the credibility of one of the policemens witness testimony as leaking that notebook would apparently be an indicator of bias. That is why they want the reporter to name her source, to find out if one of those policemen are biased. Not to verify the validity of the notebook.
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    Re: 'We Shouldn't Be Putting Journalists in Jail': Fox News Reporter Faces Jail Time.

    I'm sorry but I have no sympathy for Fox. You either fight to uphold the rights of the entire Press or you have no business crying when your own journalist's rights are being taken away. Demagoguery and suppression of political opponents has been the mainstay of Fox's rhetoric for years now. Yes, what happened to her was wrong, but that's what happens when partisan bickering causes people to not stick up for their opponents.

    We've all heard, "I may disagree with you but I will fight for your right to say it," but how many people actually practice that in principle? How many are guilty of statism because they want the law to silence their political opponents? Fox is NOT innocent. They would not fight for the same rights of someone from CNN or any of their competitors. That is what corporate media has done to our free press.

    It's karma, people. All of our rights are being encroached upon, including journalists, because partisans won't universally uphold the Constitution. Get used to it. As long as hypocrisy exist in our polity, the statists will exploit it. If you won't fight for others then don't expect anyone to fight for you when the authorities come knocking.

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    Re: 'We Shouldn't Be Putting Journalists in Jail': Fox News Reporter Faces Jail Time.

    Sorry, but when did journalists become demi-gods and when did writing a story become more important than justice being served? I've always found it odd that if someone leaks confidential information to a reporter, the leaker is subject to criminal prosecution but the reporter, the person who publicizes the confidential information, has immunity.

    If two people rob a bank, and one of the robbers murders a teller in the process, both robbers are charged with murder. If a person robs a jewelry store with the help of an employee of that store, both the robber and the employee are charged with the crime. If someone commits a crime with the assistance of a journalist/reporter, why aren't they accessories to the crime?

    I strongly believe in an independent press to hold government to account, but I think we've gone well passed the line these days.
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    Re: 'We Shouldn't Be Putting Journalists in Jail': Fox News Reporter Faces Jail Time.

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Sorry, but when did journalists become demi-gods and when did writing a story become more important than justice being served? I've always found it odd that if someone leaks confidential information to a reporter, the leaker is subject to criminal prosecution but the reporter, the person who publicizes the confidential information, has immunity.

    If two people rob a bank, and one of the robbers murders a teller in the process, both robbers are charged with murder. If a person robs a jewelry store with the help of an employee of that store, both the robber and the employee are charged with the crime. If someone commits a crime with the assistance of a journalist/reporter, why aren't they accessories to the crime?

    I strongly believe in an independent press to hold government to account, but I think we've gone well passed the line these days.
    What crime did this journalist commit in trying to uphold their free press rights and keep their source a secret?
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    Re: 'We Shouldn't Be Putting Journalists in Jail': Fox News Reporter Faces Jail Time.

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyhunter View Post
    What crime did this journalist commit in trying to uphold their free press rights and keep their source a secret?
    I don't know the details of this case but I was speaking generally when I said that protection of the press has gone too far. In this case, if the information leaked was crucial to the prosecution's case or the defense case and damaged either case, then printing the leaked information damages society's goal of seeking justice. What is the problem with letting a trial progress to its end and then releasing information about the case and/or the parties involved? Just because we now seem to have a 24/7 need for news or what passes as news, doesn't mean we need to feed it.

    I just find it odd that a profession held in such low regard by most people is given such freedom and privilege.
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    Re: 'We Shouldn't Be Putting Journalists in Jail': Fox News Reporter Faces Jail Time.

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Fox doesn't want their reporters jailed, but Snowden, Manning, and Assange are fair game, right? All journalism needs protection, not just those backed up by a major corporation.
    Snowden is a journalist?
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    Re: 'We Shouldn't Be Putting Journalists in Jail': Fox News Reporter Faces Jail Time.

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    Snowden is a journalist?
    I found that to be a rather odd statement as well. Neither is Manning. You could make a very tenuous argument for Assange.
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    Re: 'We Shouldn't Be Putting Journalists in Jail': Fox News Reporter Faces Jail Time.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    I found that to be a rather odd statement as well. Neither is Manning. You could make a very tenuous argument for Assange.
    Whistleblowers are protected under other laws, if that's a consideration.
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    Re: 'We Shouldn't Be Putting Journalists in Jail': Fox News Reporter Faces Jail Time.

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyhunter View Post
    What crime did this journalist commit in trying to uphold their free press rights and keep their source a secret?
    Journalists have no rights under the constitution.
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