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    Re: Poll: 78% Of Uninsured Not Interested In ObamaCare

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    You just made the same dumb argument you entered the discussion with. Again, health care and health insurance aren't the same thing.
    For a lot of us it is. You must be one of the 1%.

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    Re: Poll: 78% Of Uninsured Not Interested In ObamaCare

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    No, 100% of Americans had health CARE, 80% had health INSURANCE. There is a mountain of difference in the two.
    the argument could be made that those without means or resources (such as cash or insurance) do NOT have healthcare. Yes...they have an avenue for emergency healthcare and in some cities they have community healthcare that is also available.

    I think a lot of this ignores the core reality. People that did not get healthcare insurance before will opt to not get it even under the ACA.

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    Re: Poll: 78% Of Uninsured Not Interested In ObamaCare

    One of the big reasons UHC is so superior is its preventative medicine aspects of care. The article you cited it trying to say you should measure outcomes from the point of interventioin. Creative, I have to admit, but not good medicine. For example, in this country we dont focus much on preventing heart attack becuse there is so much money in cardiac surgical intervention and the statins. No, I argue that preventing the heartattack in the first place is by far the better measure of a healthcare system.
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    Re: Poll: 78% Of Uninsured Not Interested In ObamaCare

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    the argument could be made that those without means or resources (such as cash or insurance) do NOT have healthcare. Yes...they have an avenue for emergency healthcare and in some cities they have community healthcare that is also available.
    If we want to count the "have not"s as those who didn't have access to all forms of health care then I would say your number is far too high. Only those with the means to pay for their own health care bills have "health care" by that standard. But I am hard pressed to think of an area that doesn't have a free clinic or hospital to give out preventative care. I think the % of people without access to some form of healthcare is far less than 20%, and likely far closer to 0%.

    I think a lot of this ignores the core reality. People that did not get healthcare insurance before will opt to not get it even under the ACA.
    I'm sure that is true. It is the central weakness of the Obamacare plan. When faced with CHEAPER insurance prior to the ACA these people didn't buy it, but somehow we expect they will buy it now that it is more expensive? Progressive Logic at its best.
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    Re: Poll: 78% Of Uninsured Not Interested In ObamaCare

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    One of the big reasons UHC is so superior is its preventative medicine aspects of care. The article you cited it trying to say you should measure outcomes from the point of interventioin. Creative, I have to admit, but not good medicine. For example, in this country we dont focus much on preventing heart attack becuse there is so much money in cardiac surgical intervention and the statins. No, I argue that preventing the heartattack in the first place is by far the better measure of a healthcare system.
    You can't argue that UHC preventative care is better when life expectancy is higher in the US (after discounting fatal accidents) and cancer survival rate is higher in the US than in these UHC countries.
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    Re: Poll: 78% Of Uninsured Not Interested In ObamaCare

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    One of the big reasons UHC is so superior is its preventative medicine aspects of care. The article you cited it trying to say you should measure outcomes from the point of interventioin. Creative, I have to admit, but not good medicine. For example, in this country we dont focus much on preventing heart attack becuse there is so much money in cardiac surgical intervention and the statins. No, I argue that preventing the heartattack in the first place is by far the better measure of a healthcare system.
    Also, your example of preventative care isn't really a "health care" issue. The leading causes of heart disease are obesity, smoking and alcoholism. These aren't things solved through traditional medicine. You don't need to pay a dime to Eat less, stop smoking and exercise. In fact, two of those cost LESS money and the other is free.
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    Re: Poll: 78% Of Uninsured Not Interested In ObamaCare

    Well, I really really hate to point this out, but you remember Michelle's drive to curb childhood obsiety...
    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Also, your example of preventative care isn't really a "health care" issue. The leading causes of heart disease are obesity, smoking and alcoholism. These aren't things solved through traditional medicine. You don't need to pay a dime to Eat less, stop smoking and exercise.
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    Re: Poll: 78% Of Uninsured Not Interested In ObamaCare

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Next thing you know they will be forcing us to breath too.

    Oh wait....
    Ah hell, my post got attacked by the non-sequitur monster.

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    Re: Poll: 78% Of Uninsured Not Interested In ObamaCare

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    Well, I really really hate to point this out, but you remember Michelle's drive to curb childhood obsiety...

    Do you need insurance to participate? Didn't think so.
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    Re: Poll: 78% Of Uninsured Not Interested In ObamaCare

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    So you'd just rather have people show up to the ER bar none?
    Typical "my way or the highway" mentality. It's either support the total POS called Obamacare, OR allow people to go to the ER. THERE IS NO OTHER OPTIONS or possible solutions, none. Right? Well guess what, even with your plan in place people are still going to the ER, because they aren't covered and they aren't paying for their coverage.
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