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    How many people that approve of the cops actions are also pro-death penalty... because that is all this was. State Santioned Murder. Problem is that here, there was no trial. The Constitution is violated. It is a travesty and I think that many of you should be ashamed of yourselves. If you are not then you have ****ing problems...
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    Citing dangers of continuing the pursuit to pedestrians, being on campus etc, it was repeatedly suggested to STOP the pursuit.

    "We know the suspect so we can probably back it off."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    That is not a reason to unload a gun into a person... tasers, stop sticks should be tried first. The could shoot out the tires or fire rounds into the engine block. Shooting the driver is completely unacceptable and the officer (and others that do this crap) should be tried and hopefully found guilty of manslaughter or murder. Not reacting to the cops satisfaction the instant they want it is NOT a valid reason to kill somebody... it is pretty much state sanctioned murder.
    The officer has already been officially cleared. That is in the video collection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    That is exactly the issue here and it is always about specifics, not generalities. That is why I poised the question of then ALL people "endangering" others - meaning any moving violation - should be promptly shot to death on the "general" rules of ending danger to others.

    "My kid who lives here is upset about his girlfriend breaking up with me and took my truck to go get cigarettes" does NOT justify a high speed chase for many reasons. First, it likely will result in the truck being wrecked - which certainly doesn't help the "victim," does it? It is the chase that endangers others, not being in a truck stolen from your dad.
    Well then you missed a part of the thread where I was responding to a general query as to whether chases are EVER necessary. That is where you pulled the disappeared comment from.

    As to the chase being justified by a kid stealing his Dad's truck to get cigs - again you're leaving out pertinent info. We don't know for sure, but it's implied in the article that the kid was driving recklessly before the police responded with chase (or recklesly tried to avoid a simple stop). Your advice seems to be to let the kid drive away recklessly from an attempt by police to do a simple stop on the vehicle. If that's your policy I'm not sure why anyone would stop for you, ever.

    Also surprising to me is that you seem to have no reconning of what every officer knows will be the result of an officer involved shooting. Are you really going to choose guaranteed suspension, a virtual proctological exam, mountains of paperwork and a possible civil suit with the forfeiture of your job if there are other good options available. Are the other officers that work with you really that dumb in your opinion?

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    Re: Dad calls cops on son...cops shoot son

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    Was he or was he not still in control of two-ton truck with which he had previously attacked the police?
    Ramming a cop car is not something that will almost ever result in death... to respond with deadly force is as cowardly and unjust as to punch a baby in the face when it hits you in the balls. It is a sissy bitch move and should be illegal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    I would hardly call a low speed bumper cars "attacking" the police.
    Then you need an education, because that's the charge when you use your vehicle to ram someone. But hey, you're supposed to know this if you have a driver's license.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Also surprising to me is that you seem to have no reconning of what every officer knows will be the result of an officer involved shooting. Are you really going to choose guaranteed suspension, a virtual proctological exam, mountains of paperwork and a possible civil suit with the forfeiture of your job if there are other good options available. Are the other officers that work with you really that dumb in your opinion?
    Unfortunately there are many that are that dumb as we see time and time again cops shooting unarmed innocent people for little to no reason.
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    The initial claim of him being told to shut off the truck is false. There is no such event in the audio from the dash cams. The shots came fast.

    I do understand officers' concerns of this now frantically out of control 19 year old. They should have just shot up the truck, not the driver, at that point. If they had backed of the chase it would not have reached that point. The voice on the police radio (repeatedly) had it right. It was the chase that was endangering others such as pedestrians. "We know the suspect so should back off..."

    The irony is they continued the chase apparently to try to use tire-tear strips. But then one opted to shot the young man rather than take out the tires when the opportunity came. I still do NOT believe shooting the young man lethally and multiple rounds to do so was necessary.

    For the intensity of the situation, I don't think I would call the officer a murderer though. I see it as reason for some SERIOUS changes in policy and some serious training of how to handle such situations.
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    Re: Dad calls cops on son...cops shoot son

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    The officer has already been officially cleared. That is in the video collection.
    I haven't seen it... ridiculous. I am all for cops blowing the hell out of people that deserve it or meet the terms for responding with violent force but if this qualifies then I might have to rethink that.
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    Re: Dad calls cops on son...cops shoot son

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    That is not a reason to unload a gun into a person... tasers, stop sticks should be tried first. The could shoot out the tires or fire rounds into the engine block. Shooting the driver is completely unacceptable and the officer (and others that do this crap) should be tried and hopefully found guilty of manslaughter or murder. Not reacting to the cops satisfaction the instant they want it is NOT a valid reason to kill somebody... it is pretty much state sanctioned murder.
    Once again, one does not disable a vehicle like in the movies. Chances are you'd just be ventilating metal, the vehicle will still be in operation and you just might kill some innocent or a fellow officer with ricochet.

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